Posted on 07/26/2009 5:07:16 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
Researching the Obama birth certificate conspiracy has yielded many theories and wild speculations. Despite the likelihood that most of them are without merit, the one haunting theme i: what is Obama hiding? The forged birth certificate that appeared on Obama’s campaign site has spawned new curiosities, theories and demands to know where in the world is Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Is it in Kenya, Hawaii, Chicago, and Indonesia?
We believe the Certification of Live Birth is authentic, but that is not that part where it gets tricky with parsing of words and comparing apples to oranges. The document provided by the Obama campaign to Factcheck.org, which Obama has ties to, has nagging issues. First of all, the document presented is technically inferior, and people want to see the vault or long form. See an example of a real long form Certificate of Live Birth. Its shades of Bill Clinton and what the definition of what “is” is and this is where the unhinged pundits of Obama can’t seem to distinguish the difference. What Americans want to see is the above and they were given a document that does not have enough information and simply conveys that a Certificate of Live Birth exists. Below is a side-by-side image of what people are asking for and what they got. Fact: Obama released a Certification of Live Birth but failed to provide the requested Certificate of Live Birth. This political maneuver is known as the Dodd-Dodge.
The Kindergarten Conspiracy is simply that Obama's Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the State of Hawaii Department of Education. See the above link to where local paper reports the lost records. The important feature of this conspiracy is that Kindergarten records would have contained the following: 1. Obama's REAL Birth Certificate. 2. An application with the following: • His Legal name. • Parents or Legal Guardians’ names. • Date of Birth • Place of Birth • Vaccination Records
Conspiracy theorists contend that the loss of records is important for two additional reasons. The Department of Education does not "lose" the records of one particular student. Breeding the claim, who paid whom what sum to make this record disappear? Finally the loss prevents the release of shamefully low test scores, embarrassing Equal Opportunity advancements, and trails of fraudulent funding to hide that could possibly "excuse" the quashing of public school Kindergarten entry records. Adding to the fuel is the fact that for the rest of his life he attended very expensive private schools and has had his records legally sealed to deny the public his true life story.
School in JakartaThe Kindergarten twins (Nordyke) conspiracy spun off from the “lost” kindergarten records. The question is why the Nordyke twin’s, who were born a few hours after Obama, announcement was missing from the newspaper. The theory is that they were removed so Obama’s could be inserted. A possible explanation is that since the father was a physician of some note the girls’ birth announcement was in the announced in a separate article. The mother of twin’s recalls nothing of significance while she was in the hospital and can neither confirm or deny Obama and his mother were there.
The Jakarta plot begins with Obama’s stepfather (Lolo Soetero) taking the family to Jakarta, Indonesia and enrolled him in a Catholic school (Fransiskus Assisi) as Barry Soetoro as seen on the only document that exists in the public from any of Obama’s schools. It was not released by Obama but obtained by an investigative reporter.
This document bred a whole new series of heories that Obama was adopted by Soetero and Obama became a citizen on Indonesia. Under Indonesian law, Obama could not hold dual citizenship. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen. This led to theory that Obama traveled to Pakistan in college under an Indonesia passport. In the early 1980’s, it was very difficult to enter Pakistan under a U.S. passport.
The Barry Soetero issue exploded into theories that Obama’s real name was Barry Soetero and he attended U.S. colleges under that name and as an Indonesian national. The fact that all of Obama’s school records are sealed flamed the conspiracy fire. It was not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned. The facts are that in Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student's legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings. According to Indonesian legal experts, it was difficult to enroll non-Indonesian citizens in public schooling.
It was the scrutiny of Obama’s Indonesia chapter that fueled the fires that Obama was a Muslim, received Muslim teachings in school and attended a Mosque regularly with Lolo Soetero. However, it was the Pakistan trip revelation that raised a few eyebrows. Obama last April disclosed he traveled as a college student to Pakistan in 1981. "I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college – I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee," Obama reportedly stated at a fundraising event. Obama had not previously disclosed any trip to Pakistan, either in his books or in a multitude of policy talks regarding Pakistan.
Obama’s disclosure prompted ABC News to contact the presidential candidate's campaign, which confirmed that in 1981, the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University, Barack visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. Obama then went on to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from that country, the campaign said. Further, it was disclosed that Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, said the campaign, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.
Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule. It was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance. It would have been easier for someone to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. If Obama indeed possessed Indonesian citizenship as a child, it is unlikely he retains such citizenship. This has never been disclosed or discussed by the Obama campaign. This posed the question about Obama's registration in Indonesia under the name "Barry Soetoro" also raises questions as to whether he adopted that name in the U.S. at any time. According to Illinois state filings, when Obama registered as an attorney in 1991, under the name Barack Obama, he attested to never using any other names or aliases.
Most of the conspiracies may seem petty and insignificant, but it does indicate that Obama has not been transparent or honest with the American people or the fact he could easily put this to rest but elects not to. Remember, this is the man that said he attended a church for twenty years and never listened to a sermon.
In Part 3, we’ll discuss the Sarah Obama interview and Mombasa hospital who claims to have medical records on Obama and his mother but have been classified by the state. Then there is the Michelle Obama interview with API, and API attempting to sell to Fox News the exclusive recordings and copies Obama’s birth documents.
Root: Don't have any theories. I don't know. Don't know why. Kept to himself.... The only thing I could even imagine is that he talks in his biographies about being, you know, his identity crisis, his "am I black or am I white?" He chose black. And he hung out with a couple of black kids and never went near anybody and his wife? That's the only thing I can think of. All my buddies are white, what can I tell you! They don't know him, nobody's ever seen him, I don't know what to tell you.
In his memoir and in interviews, Obama has said he got serious and buckled down in New York. "I didn't socialize that much. I was like a monk," he said in a 2005 Columbia alumni magazine interview. He told biographer David Mendell: "For about two years there, I was just painfully alone and really not focused on anything, except maybe thinking a lot."
Hi Gargantua,
The reason why we have not seem hardly any good, bad or even reporters is due to the fact, the overwhelming majority of them are not nor have they ever been in this line of work. They are Government Propagandists. These Government Propagandists reads their spoon fed "news" derived from the same source which explains the same terminology, story lines & headlines etc. A perfect example of propaganda which some may remember staring back in the sixties (maybe earlier), a person would give a speech and the "reporter" had to come on after wards to explain to us what we just heard.
Hopefully, the tidal wave is receding, there are a few reporters that are shining the truth out there. May they go forth & multiply.
The question remains, wouldn't those in the same major/minor have taken classes with him? I believe the number I've seen was 400 poli sci majors in 1983.
As far is I know, there has been no independent confirmation of exactly when the Nordyke twins were born. The notion that "they were born a few hours after Obama" comes only from an interview in a Hawaii newspaper, within the last five years, with their now elderly mother. That interview was prompted specifically by Obama's political prominence. It could be that the interview was arranged by Obama's staff for the express purpose of "proving" that Obama was born in Hawaii (when in fact he was not) and that the aging Mrs. Nordyke was told what to tell the newspaper in advance. It should be noted that Mrs. Nordyke's story was consistent with Obama's being born in Hawaii, but inconsistent with his being born abroad.
The real crux of the matter is they don’t ask you if you are a citizen; you have to prove you are a citizen.
A. k. a. a "Red Diaper Baby"!!!
The Nordyke twin story looked to me as though it was made up to support the testimony of the purported mother who claimed that she had been around the Hawaii hospital when Stanley Ann delivered there.
When the mother was put to the test about the twins, she disappeared and shut up.
Now maybe there is some better more credible testimony about the twins than I have heard.
Maybe, maybe not. Truthfully, I can’t remember many of my fellow students in my major, graduate or undergraduate. Of course, that was over 40 years ago.
I don’t understand this comment:
“We believe the Certification of Live Birth is authentic”
Why on Earth would they say that? All they have is an image that has proven to be forged.
All we need is one judge to subpoena Obama’s original long form birth certificate.
You wrote-
“The real crux of the matter is they don’t ask you if you are a citizen; you have to prove you are a citizen.”
Yes, I too believe Obama’s COLB to be a forgery. Even then, it doesn’t say where he was born.
What I find odd about Odumbo’s school days, is no girl friends.
Thanks for posting this link and report about Obama and that NONE of his fellow students can remember him from Columbia University. That’s strange:
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-columbia-university-secret.html
IMHO the smoking guns are; the sealing of all records. The endless court fights against the release of his birth certificate. For those of you who still don't see a smoking gun, you are willfully blind.
Has anyone ever asked Mrs. Nordyke where she and her physician husband were living when the twins were born?
We have no actual proof that he was ever an American citizen. If in fact the Nordyke twins' birth announcement was removed to insert the Obama data, that data is suspect and he could have been born anywahere since Hawaii would issue an Hawaiian birth certification for people not born in Hawaii and not having Hawaiian parents. [See the story of Sun Yat Sen]
It has occurred to many of us that BArry may have been born in Canada, that his grandfather Stanley enlisted Barack Obama sr to lend credulity to the obvious black off-spring by posing as the husband and father of Barry. Toots woul dhave had the access to data and the knowledge, to plant various pieces of a puzzle which on the surface would seem to support the faux marriage and birth in Hawaii. Subsequently, when Stanley Ann began trying to acquire aid, etc. it became more cumbersome to maintain the ruse and she went through divorce preceedings to separate herself fromt he Barack myth which had become too weighty with suspicion to carry forward. Toots and Stanley may have actually wanted Barry to not be seen as a bastard child and out of compassion tried to fabricate a life story for the little guy. But in the final pinch, look what being dishonest may have done to their grandson!
And we woul dbe wells erved to try and fit the connection to Lolo into the timing of the divorce from Barack senior, since being pretend married to Barack may have been cimbersome to developing a relationship with Lolo.
I’ve heard that Obama attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro which leads me to believe that it was as a foreign student. Also, experts say that Obama’s advertised Selective Service registration form is also a forgery. Thus, we might conclude that he may never have even been an American citizen (much less a natural born citizen).
You wrote-
“.... It would be instructive though if after reaching the age of eighteen he used Indonesian citizenship to apply for college, loans, scholarships, or an Indonesian passport update. Such action would rpesume favoring Indonesian citizenship and dropping American citizenship IF he ever had American citizenship.
We have no actual proof that he was ever an American citizen.”
This particular one is new to me(?).
You wrote-
“Has anyone ever asked Mrs. Nordyke where she and her physician husband were living when the twins were born?”
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