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Weekly Roundup - Living On Nothing Edition [Survival Today - an On going Thread #3]
Frugal Dad .com ^ | July 23, 2009 | Frugal Dad

Posted on 07/24/2009 3:37:21 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny

Weekly Roundup - Living On Nothing Edition Category: Roundups | Comments(15)

Did you hear about the guy that lives on nothing? No seriously, he lives on zero dollars a day. Meet Daniel Suelo, who lives in a cave outside Moab, Utah. Suelo has no mortgage, no car payment, no debt of any kind. He also has no home, no car, no television, and absolutely no “creature comforts.” But he does have a lot of creatures, as in the mice and bugs that scurry about the cave floor he’s called home for the last three years.

To us, Suelo probably sounds a little extreme. Actually, he probably sounds very extreme. After all, I suspect most of you reading this are doing so under the protection of some sort of man-made shelter, and with some amount of money on your person, and probably a few needs for money, too. And who doesn’t need money unless they have completely unplugged from the grid? Still, it’s an amusing story about a guy who rejects all forms of consumerism as we know it.

The Frugal Roundup

How to Brew Your Own Beer and Maybe Save Some Money. A fantastic introduction to home brewing, something I’ve never done myself, but always been interested in trying. (@Generation X Finance)

Contentment: A Great Financial Principle. If I had to name one required emotion for living a frugal lifestyle it would be contentment. Once you are content with your belongings and your lot in life you can ignore forces attempting to separate you from your money. (@Personal Finance by the Book)

Use Energy Star Appliances to Save On Utility Costs. I enjoyed this post because it included actual numbers, and actual total savings, from someone who upgraded to new, energy star appliances. (@The Digerati Life)

Over-Saving for Retirement? Is it possible to “over-save” for retirement? Yes, I think so. At some point I like the idea of putting some money aside in taxable investments outside of retirement funds, to be accessed prior to traditional retirement age. (@The Simple Dollar)

40 Things to Teach My Kids Before They Leave Home. A great list of both practical and philosophical lessons to teach your kids before they reach the age where they know everything. I think that now happens around 13 years-old. (@My Supercharged Life)

Index Fund Investing Overview. If you are looking for a place to invest with high diversification and relatively low fees (for broader index funds with low turnover), index funds are a great place to start. (@Money Smart Life)

5 Reasons To Line Dry Your Laundry. My wife and I may soon be installing a clothesline in our backyard. In many neighborhoods they are frowned upon - one of the reasons I don’t like living in a neighborhood. I digress. One of our neighbors recently put up a clothesline, and we might just follow his lead. (@Simple Mom)

A Few Others I Enjoyed

* 4 Quick Tips for Getting Out of a Rut * Young and Cash Rich * Embracing Simple Style * First Trading Experience With OptionsHouse * The Exponential Power of Delayed Consumption * How Much Emergency Fund is Enough? * 50 Questions that Will Free Your Mind * Save Money On Car Insurance


TOPICS: Food; Gardening; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: emergencypreparation; food; frugal; frugality; garden; gf; gluten; glutenfree; granny; hunger; jm; nwarizonagranny; prep; prepper; preppers; preps; starvation; stinkbait; survival; survivalists; wcgnascarthread
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To: hennie pennie
I think it's REALLY important, absolutely imperative, during dangerous times like this to actively REDUCE stressors ...

I couldn't agree more. And not just for dangerous times, but I didn't see the need for being in a job I hated (teaching), giving half my pay to the government, and being stuck in a city - forever, not just while times are bad.

So I've moved to the mountains, where it is just me, nature, and a few crazy neighbors who are well-armed and have strong opinions about individual's rights. And no TV. Just dialup - even that I'm finding is relaxing, since I can't hurry it and being impatient solves nothing. Time has slowed up here. I do have to go to town occasionally and am awfully glad to be back up when that's over!

A rural area with better farming conditions would be best, of course. But we have to make the best with the hand we are dealt. And I'd terribly miss my 150' fall firs and Jeffrey pines. Aspen leaves have been raining down this week, leaving the land - and firs and pines - covered in lemon-yellow dots. Beautiful! (Hubby 'might' lose his job - his power plant is being bought out since the loan is due and the owners need to find a buyer. That might make us move - and would be good in the long run, I'm sure).
3,741 posted on 10/26/2009 6:07:15 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: hennie pennie
Some cream soups, such as cream of mushroom become almost fancy by the edition of smallish homemade Swedish Meatballs.

yummm, that sounds good.

I'm experimenting with my food stash while I'm in the mountains to see about using wheat berries and legumes up. It's been fun and inexpensive! But now and then, I have to have something more 'normal', ie. that I'm used to. Your Swedish Meatballs on egg noodles sound perfect ;)
3,742 posted on 10/26/2009 6:10:12 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall; hennie pennie; nw_arizona_granny

Well, I thought I was going to have a bumper crop of pumpkins this year - had a couple hundred that got up to about 10 pounds, then during a long cool rainy spell, every one rotted. Maybe others had the same problem, causing them to be in short supply. Here a 25-30# pumpkin is selling for $9-$12 when you can find them. And here I had made a place to store all those pumpkins too...

Had it not been for the butternut squash, this would have been a bleak squash year. But the butternuts produced more than enough - about 80-90 in a 10X20 plot (lost count as we were eating them). Got them all picked, washed with bleach water and stored in milk crates. (Mmmm Mmmm Good!) Make good substitute for pumpkin pies or like sweet potatoes too.

Got all my black beans picked and threshed and sorghum for the chickens harvested and bagged - Whew... Still have to dig the carrots and got one more picking of peppers (about a bushel and a half).

Now the fun begins - what do we want to eat today?

On an earlier post someone was talking about rice... When we lived in Cuba, we learned to eat lots of rice - Fried eggs on rice for breakfast, Arroz con Picadillo y yucca(rice and hamburger and boiled yucca) for lunch, Pork and rice or chicken and rice for dinner... They actually ate more rice per capita than the Chinese or Japanese. They even made several stir-fry dishes with lots of rice. Pineapple pork with rice - yum...


3,743 posted on 10/26/2009 6:22:28 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Politicians and baby diapers should both be changed regularly. Mostly for the same reasons!)
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To: CottonBall
I would LOVE to be living in the rural mountains.

Meantime, another reason that I am deeply concerned about stress is that I have actually started to seriously wonder how much that Washington D.C. is intentionally attempting to stress out the citizenry -- and that sounds downright clinically paranoid.

But yeah, a stressed out citizenry would be easy to manipulate & use, you know??

I found things deeply stressful in the months following 911, but this period nowadays is ever much more so. So I think it's important to totally DE-stress -- I'm not saying that it's not important to do so all the time, but I am communicating that I think that PART of the emergency we are all facing includes the toxic toll that extreme stress in enacting upon us.

3,744 posted on 10/26/2009 6:22:46 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: CottonBall
>>>> "That's interesting about OK. It's on the top of my list of places to relocate to. It's one of the most conservative states we have, voting R in the 2008 elections more than any other. Not that all the R's are conservative, but it's still telling." <<<<


What Makes Oklahoma City Recession-Proof? : NPR

Oct 24, 2009 ... The recession is bad everywhere, but it's a little less bad in Oklahoma. The unemployment rate in Oklahoma City is still below 7 percent ... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114130247

3,745 posted on 10/26/2009 6:32:00 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: All; JoeProBono

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2371424/posts?page=36#36

PHOTOS: Best Wild Animal Pictures of 2009 Announced
nationalgeographic ^ | October 22, 2009-

Posted on 10/26/2009 3:37:07 PM PDT by JoeProBono

A fantastic thread of LOL, real animals.....granny


3,746 posted on 10/26/2009 6:39:00 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Thanks Mom!


3,747 posted on 10/26/2009 6:44:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: DelaWhere
Please tell me everything you can about your experience with black beans, how many plants you had, how did each plant produce, was there much 'fussiness' with them, how was your harvest, how will you dry them, etc.,etc., etc. ANYTHING you care to share about your experience growing, harvesting, drying & using black beans.

I learned from an 5-6 minute story on NPR about the pumpkin crop failure, the reporter was somewhere in Michigan, standing in the Libby's Pumpkin acerage, describing very grim conditions, and that there might not be enough pumpkin for the holidays this year.

I read online that in some places people cannot find any canned pumpkin in the grocery stores, but I had no difficulty where I am.

I need to use up the five-4-a-dollar canned pumpkin I stocked up on one January about six years ago -- at 20-cents a can, I bought alot, LOL!!


Cool, Wet Summer Hurts Pumpkin Crop : NPR

Oct 1, 2009 ... However, the unseasonable weather has claimed a notable victim: the pumpkin. Maine's pumpkin harvest is expected to be off by 50 percent.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113374439

3,748 posted on 10/26/2009 6:45:36 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: DelaWhere

Had it not been for the butternut squash, this would have been a bleak squash year. But the butternuts produced more than enough - about 80-90 in a 10X20 plot (lost count as we were eating them). Got them all picked, washed with bleach water and stored in milk crates. (Mmmm Mmmm Good!) Make good substitute for pumpkin pies or like sweet potatoes too.<<<

I would like them better than pumpkins........

It seems only yesterday the thread was counting seeds in cups and onto paper towels and now it is all over.

Now the dreams start for next year...maybe it is all the changes that makes folks into gardners.

I am so thankful that over all you had a good year.

What was the final verdict on your nakkid oats?


3,749 posted on 10/26/2009 6:48:17 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks for sharing the fantastic photo.

My first thought was “it must be a Pupfish”.

Then it dawned on me that i did not know what a pupfish was.

I assume it is a Sea Lion, or Seal?

It sure does have alert eyes.


3,750 posted on 10/26/2009 6:58:50 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
I was just joking a bit, you know the War on FNC. I did a tribute to last weeks Beck on the subject with four great clips:

Glenn Beck on this week of White House War on Fox News Channel

3,751 posted on 10/26/2009 7:17:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: All

NEWS from CPSC
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Office of Information and Public Affairs
Washington, DC 20207

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 26, 2009
Release #10-021

CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

CPSC Urges Parents and Caregivers to Stop Using “My Baby Soother” Pacifiers Due to Choking Hazard

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is urging parents and caregivers to immediately stop providing “My Baby Soother” pacifiers to their children. The pacifiers were distributed by T & L Trading Corp., of Brooklyn, N.Y. The pacifiers failed to meet federal safety standards because the nipples can separate from the base easily, posing a choking hazard to infants and toddlers.

CPSC is issuing this warning because T & L Trading has refused to recall these pacifiers.

About 16,500 “My Baby Soother” pacifiers were sold at grocery stores, delis, and discount stores in Bronx, Brooklyn, Broadway, and Coney Island of New York from August 2007 through July 2009 for about $1.

The “My Baby Soother” pacifier has a ring-shaped handle and a blue, pink, red, white or yellow heart-shaped mouth guard with two ventilation holes. The nipple is made of either silicon or latex. The pacifier package has the words “My Baby Soother” printed on the top and a picture of an infant on the background.

Distributors and retailers who purchased the “My Baby Soother” pacifiers from T & L Trading should immediately stop distributing the pacifier and call CPSC. Consumers should immediately take the recalled pacifiers away from infants and toddlers and discard them.

To see this release on CPSC’s web site, including links pictures of the hazardous products, please go to: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml10/10021.html


3,752 posted on 10/26/2009 8:23:39 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All; Eagle50AE; DelaWhere; Joya; Quix

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3,753 posted on 10/26/2009 8:29:06 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: sickoflibs

http://sickoflibs.blogspot.com/2009/10/glenn-beck-on-this-week-of-white-house.html

I heard part of the order was taking over FNC (Fox News) ,just until the crisis is over. You know, for national security reasons.<<<

Wish it was a joke, the o is using Venezuela and Russia as a master plan and you can bet he fully intends to take over everything.............as in ALL of everything.

In my opinion of course.

I bookmarked your site, but as my huge bookmark file is a joke, let us know if you do post something that kinda fits this threads seeking for knowledge.

LOL, we long ago lost our way, from the path of “using old ways to help us survive” to just plain survival, frugal in today’s world and whatever we should know to get there.

I have to keep the train of thoughts large and mixed, because I am one of those folks, who never stay on topic, if you do give me one. Topics only remind me of something else and it is not usually related at all.........

Welcome and do join in the thread.

Re: Beck, he is not on the radio here and I do not own tv, so I know of him only via Freepers and other bits and pieces, I am on dial up internet, so do not do videos.


3,754 posted on 10/26/2009 8:52:30 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: hennie pennie
Meantime, another reason that I am deeply concerned about stress is that I have actually started to seriously wonder how much that Washington D.C. is intentionally attempting to stress out the citizenry -- and that sounds downright clinically paranoid.

I was thinking this 'national emergency' on Friday was to do just that - panic people.

Isn't there some saying that if you think your're psychotic, you're not? I don't think that works for neurosis, though ;) But if they ARE out to get us (which IMO they are), we are NOT paranoid. (If we are, at least we are there together).

Hang in there, hennie pennie. Breathe deep and exhale slowly....repeat...
3,755 posted on 10/26/2009 9:49:16 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: DelaWhere
Well, I thought I was going to have a bumper crop of pumpkins this year - had a couple hundred that got up to about 10 pounds, then during a long cool rainy spell, every one rotted.

Well, crap. How depressing.

Had it not been for the butternut squash, this would have been a bleak squash year. But the butternuts produced more than enough - about 80-90 in a 10X20 plot (lost count as we were eating them).

yum! Do they last a long time during the fall?

Got all my black beans picked and threshed and sorghum for the chickens harvested and bagged - Whew... Still have to dig the carrots and got one more picking of peppers (about a bushel and a half).

What do you do with sorghum and chicken? And does 'bagged' mean 'canned'? (Or 'jarred'?)
3,756 posted on 10/26/2009 9:53:31 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: nw_arizona_granny

“I don’t remember a diet Coke bread, do you have the recipe?
Care to share ?”

I don’t remember where I found this recipe or I’d give the source. I’ll be making it in the morning to go with our soup for dinner. Soup will be made from leftover shredded creole chicken from tonight’s dinner with corn, tomatoes, beans, etc. Whatever I can come up with!

Diet Coke Bread

4 cups bread flour
1 tsp. salt
1 pkg. Active Dry Yeast
1/2 tsp. granulated sugar
One 12 oz. can diet coke (room temperature)

Hand mix ingredients, or use a dough hook.

Place into a bowl that has been well oiled by placing about 1 tablespoon of oil and rubbing with paper towel. Turn ball of dough to coat top with oil. Cover with plastic wrap for approximately 1 to 1-1/2 hours - or until doubled in size. Pour onto floured board and knead well. Shape into two loaves and place in oiled pans dusted with corn meal. Turn to oil top of loaves. Allow to rise until doubled in size (about 1 hour.) Bake at 350 degrees F for 20 to 25 minutes until golden brown and is loose from pan.


3,757 posted on 10/26/2009 10:11:13 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: DelaWhere
Seriously - She keeps telling me things about subjects I was thinking about but haven’t said a word about. Then there is the waking me in the middle of the night to tell me that our outside dog has burned his water over and is thirsty, and that I need to call Daughter because something is wrong - like yesterday evening when one of her dogs got loose and was hit on the road. LOL It assures no Jimmy Carter transgressions - that’s for sure.

That's quite a gift. And I can see how it would keep you in line ;)

I could use a telepathic husband right now. I know I brought a bunch of belts up with me to the cabin, but can't figure out where I put them. This place is tiny, so there aren't that many options...I hate gettin' older!
3,758 posted on 10/26/2009 10:56:42 PM PDT by CottonBall
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Interesting Health News the Media doesn’t Cover 10 - 24
Posted by: “Fernwoods

Slide show about the dangers of drinking from water bottles at:
_Water Disaster Ppt Presentation_
(http://www.authorstream.com/Presentation/aSGuest17618-181417-water-disaster-save-conservation-earth-news-reports-ppt
-powerpoint/)

Click on the arrow


Scientific evidence that everything that exists is connected by a subtle
web of energy. It responds to human emotion and thought.

8 min. video at: _The Science of Miracles and the Power of Prayer_
(http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/15/The-Science-of-Mirac
les-and-the-Power-of-Prayer.aspx)


_The menace of the public option_
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/19/ED7B19P06H.DTL)
Of all the current assaults on our noble republic, perhaps none is more
dangerous than the public option - specifically, the public library option.

For far too long, this menace has undermined the very foundations of our
economy. While companies like Amazon and Barnes & Noble struggle valiantly
each day to sell books, these communistic cabals known as libraries undercut
the hard work of good corporate citizens by letting people read their
books for free. How is the private sector supposed to compete with free? And
just what does this public option give us? People can spend hours and hours
in these dens of socialism without having to buy so much as a cappuccino.


_Compost to Create Your Own Carbon Piggy Bank!_
(http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19419.cfm)

According to the _Rodale Institute_
(http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/columns/research_paul/2007/1107/soilcarbon.shtml) , organic farms that
fertilize with compost can sequester carbon at a rate of up to 3,200 kg/ha/yr.

But it’s not just farmers and cities, you can compost at home! So, if you
haven’t already, take your food, lawn, garden waste - even poop - and make
your very own carbon piggy bank: COMPOST!

_Video_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKlauRA7ugI) : How to compost in
your backyard!

Composting avoids methane emissions and also improves the soil fertility of
the degraded soil. Soil & More, the global composting project, gets 1
carbon credit equals to 1 ton of CO2e emissions reductions for every ton of
compost produced.


_Why Propaganda Trumps Truth_
(http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11135&Itemid=16)
Hitler explained the believability of the Big Lie as compared to the small
lie: “In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to
the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small
lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale
falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths,
and they would not believe that others could have such impudence. Even
though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their
minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other
explanation.”

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NativeAmericanVoiceForHealth/


3,759 posted on 10/26/2009 11:41:35 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: All

Here is a recipe for Bisquick for you cuties from “down under”.
Use this homemade mix in any recipe calling for Bisquick
or other commercial baking mixes.

8 cups flour
1 1/4 cups nonfat dry milk powder
1/4 cup baking powder
1 tablespoon salt
2 cups shortening

Combine flour, milk, baking powder,
and salt in a very large bowl.
Cut in shortening until it resembles coarse
cornmeal. Store in tightly
closed covered container in a cool place.

I keep this in the freezer.


G’Day
I was given this recipe when I asked a similar question Tracy. As we don’t have ‘shortening’ as such for household use, I have mixed marg and butter together hoping it was good enough. It tasted fine but how like the original Bisquick it was I’ll probably never know as I’ve never tasted it. LOL June (Sydney)

4 cups whole wheat flour
4 cups all-purpose flour
1/3 cup baking powder
4 teaspoons salt
1/2 cup sugar
2 cups shortening
1 1/4 cups powdered milk

Put all ingredients in bowl and blend. Store in gallon container in the
refrigerator.


To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frozen-assets/


3,760 posted on 10/26/2009 11:52:27 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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