Posted on 07/14/2009 3:29:17 PM PDT by MacSuibhne
Obama - Soldier questioning eligibility - Fox News
But it's not.
According to you an officer must follow his orders no matter who gives them or what they are.
Or are there some cases when an officer can disobey orders?
He is a Freeper ... he is one of our family and we owe him our prayers for his safety and our attention to his welfare. What he is doing is more courageous than the leaky Leahy scum running the Senate Judiciary Committee, or any other democrat in Washington right now, IMHO.
Get off your anti-Obama soap box for a moment and consider very carefully the magnitude of the extremely dangerous idiocy you and others on this thread appear to be supporting.
What you are supporting, in no uncertain terms, is a situation whereby the either military as a whole, or the individual members thereof, get to decide who they will or will not obey.
History is full of examples of the suicidal stupidity of such a position.
The UCMJ, and the entire military is, of course, based on the chain of command. The top link is illegit, that is the basis of this soldier's complaint...
I too hope he knows the consequences, but for now, I'm saying this guy has some kahunas.
Every heard of the Mi Lai massacre?
It was drummed into every officer’s head at the academy, and yes, it is absolutely up to the officer to decide whether the orders issued are lawful or not.
The officer takes an oath to be loyal to the Constitution, not to his CO, the Pentagon, or the President.
The major is doing his job.
By the way, Obama can provide access to the documents before bedtime on the East Coast, and the Major can be on a plane to his post about 30 minutes later.
This is a simple matter to be resolved, legally. The onus is on the President to provide proof that his eligible to be Commander in Chief. I can tell you that every officer is under the same burden prior to their being provided their commissions as officers in the military.
This is a no brainer. I’m surprised more officers haven’t done this first. Shows that the educational standards at the academies are starting to slip.
Uh, no, little fella. I didn't say that. It's difficult to take you seriously after such an idiotic comment.
Or are there some cases when an officer can disobey orders?
Sure. When the orders are unlawful. But those deployment orders are not unlawful.
So you don’t think the oath means anything. That having sworn to defend this country and the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, he should just forget that oath.
If he were ordered to kill you, because you had a gun and the government had banned them, should he obey that order?
Just wondering at what point you think principle and individual integrity trump “orders.” Every German soldier that help put Jews into gas chambers or shallow graves before being shot was just following orders.
Hank
havent seen confirmation anywhere..will have to wait. the post said they were revoked at 1700.
Well he hasn't missed a movement, or even said that he would. He's a reservist, he has his full first amendment rights, although I don't see how asking him to demonstrate his eligibility quite gets into "contempt", it's not like he's calling him a Long Legged Mack Daddy, or a Communist. It doesn't fit the definition of Mutiny, because there has been no act of violence or refusal to obey an order. Similarly it doesn't fit the definition of Sedition, again because their has been no revolt, violence or other disturbance. Going to court is a very unusual way of commiting either Sedition or Mutiny.
Now if he refused orders, that could be mutiny, but it would be an unlikely charge given the circumstances, and it's more clearly "failure to go".
Oh, OK then. Then, apparently, by that standard any action taken by the military since January is illegal.
Perhaps the only legal thing the military could do right now is to just stop what they're doing, everywhere, because Obama is illegitimate. We probably ought to discharge the entire Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines, because Obama is illegitimate. If attacked, we cannot fire or otherwise respond, because Obama is illegitimate.
What stupidity you're trying to sell. Plain damned stupidity.
If that's true, I suspect it's because the good Major is about to be reassigned to a slot that allows him to learn first-hand the joys of the military justice system.
Soapbox aside, Obama may have pulled off the greatest deception in US history. It’s going to take some strong, courageous acts to oppose that. As I said, I hope this soldier understands the implications.
First Lieutenant Ehren Watada pulled this against Pres. Bush at Fort Lewis, and his charges were dropped...
How is this different?
If soldiers were doing this willy nilly for no reason, yes, I’d think it idiotic and dangerous to talk about it.
But what if there is a very legitimate reason? How is that ‘idiocy?’
What people are telling you is that his first obligation is to our constitution. If Obama is an usurper and ineligible to hold the office, then the officer is honoring his oath by refusing an order from a CIC that has broken the same oath.
Not only can, but must. If the orders are illegal. Now clearly if the orders are to commit and illegal act, they are illegal. Orders given without authority to do so, that's a bit more of a gray area, but it would seem that such orders aren't even really orders, they just have the form of orders.
I suspect the Major will meet his movement orders and let the lawyers figure it all out. But we shall see, and soon, since he's supposed to report to Homestead AFB tommorrow.
Please read and digest my entire post before asking dumbass questions like that. The question of lawfulness had to do with the person issuing the order, not the content of the order;
The essential attributes of a lawful order include: (1) issuance by competent authority -- a person authorized by applicable law to give such an order;
The top link is illegit, that is the basis of this soldier’s complaint...
That hasn’t been proven. The current CINC was sworn in following the protocols set forth including the election by the Electoral College and certification by the US Congress. Now at some point the above maybe nullified but until then Obama is President and CINC.
especially given that the deployment orders are both lawful and appropriate.
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If they originate from a usurper and fraud in the presidency, just at what point do the orders become lawful?
The man has taken an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. Thank God, there are **men** ( and a brave little woman dentist) with the testosterone to do it.
The last time I was a “little fella” was the day I stepped onto the yellow footprints on Parris Island.
You don’t get it, do you?
This Major is deliberately sacrificing his life to determine if Obama should be eligible to be the Commander in Chief under the Natural Born Clause, and he has every right to do so, because this sort of thing has never happened before.
“What stupidity you’re trying to sell. Plain damned stupidity.”
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I’m not trying to sell anything. I’m simply trying to discuss the issue. I did not bring this crazy situation to pass - why don’t you aim some of your vitriol at zero for not producing his documents?
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