Posted on 07/11/2009 9:58:05 AM PDT by Tamar Rush
Foiled Forever by Fossil Finding
Last January, Scientific American declared 2009 as “the year of Darwin” in celebration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of the revolutionary evolutionist who turned man into a monkey.
The celebration is understandable.
No thinker has accomplished more to create a cleft between science and religion.
No writer has done more to undermine the claim of scripture that man was made in the image and likeness of God.
No scholar has forged greater support for moral relativity and modern materialism.
His theories are treated as laws; his notions as knowledge; his speculation as science.
But a recent finding in Kenya has sent evolutionists into a tail-spin.
And freshly unearthed discoveries of Darwin’s life have caused the academic community to reconsider his greatness and his contribution to advancement of modern science.
The first debunking of Darwin came with the discovery this year of a 1.5 million-year-old footprint in northern Kenya – - the oldest relic of primitive man since Mary Leaky discovered 3.75 million-year-old tracks in the volcanic ash of northern Tanzania.
Darwinist scientists who the footprint discovered in Kenya reluctantly came to the conclusion that it was made by Homo Erectus who had no business appearing in the lower Paleolithic period of world history.
By scanning the footprints with lasers and measuring sediment compression, the scientists determined that the individual who left this print had a modern foot and stride: a mid-foot arch, straight big toe and heel-to-toe weight transfer.
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No where does Jesus say that Moses was to be believed, as scientific fact, primarily or exclusively.
Jesus was making the point, to believers in Moses, that HE was the Guy Moses talked about. Also, the “Law of Moses” is what the Jews believed. “If you believe in the Law of Moses believe in me” would be another way to say the same thing.
The truth is, you are a trivial person who thinks it MATTERS how many “days” (A measurement of distance, or the TIME it takes for the Earth to rotate on its axis!) it took to create the Earth. You think this matters, even though there could be NO “day” as we know it, today, without a rotating Earth and our own Sun.
There are Darwinists in Heaven.
There are Creationists in Hell.
And of course, the opposite is also true.
It does not matter one iota, for our own salvation, what we believe about the creation of the Earth.
You said that the bible was NEVER intended to be considered reliable either as a scientific document or a historical document.
Moses called on God to part the seas and it was done. Well that is a scientific impossibility, isn't it? Do you believe it?
Moses recorded the story of Noah and the flood. Apparently science seems to deny the possibility that such an event happened. Jesus referenced the flood in his teachings. Was Jesus lying about it?
Jesus turned water into wine. This is a chemical impossibility. Do you believe he did it? Is this historically accurate?
What historical or scientific events in the bible are false?
And if Moses recorded a scientific impossibility or a miracle and you don't believe Moses' words, then how is it that you believe the words of Jesus?
You have yet to answer any of my questions. Wanna take a stab at these?
Since you think that he has debunked evolution, why don't you point out his best falsification of it?
“Well it is a theory, just like the Theory of Relativity is a theory or Newtons laws”
Of course it is a theory. The people who insisted it was a fact believed in evolution. They were quite insistent that evolution was a fact, and anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot at best. But you are quite right, it is just a theory.
“The DNA all seems to be similar and it seems to be traceable to common ancestors?”
Maybe these “seems” constitute the best argument for evolution at the present time. It isn't nearly as impressive as the Pilltdown man, or perhaps even Nebraska man. There was a picture that was very popular in the past on FreeRepublic. It showed little pictures of different types of "men," artist reconstructions, jawbones, etc., with lines running between them indicating evolution. It was very impressive looking. Maybe that was the proof for evolution. How should that chart be drawn now given findings of modern man 1.5 and 3.75 million years ago?
Look at it this way, if God intended the Bible to be a scientific journal, why does the Bible not tell us that the World is round? Why does the Bible not tell us that the Earth revolves around the Sun?
If the Bible was meant for the purposes you put it too, it is wholly and completely inadequate. Therefore: Your PURPOSE is not what God intended, since God would do a better job!
What the Bible does tell us, it tells us so that we learn how to live.
If the Bible contained things that the people, at the times of the various books, could not or would not believe, the Bible would not have survived as it has.
Maybe you should read it.
He did not say, “Say this in memory of ME” but “Do THIS” -—
Catholics and Orthodox Christians, the OLDEST Christian denominations, DO take that part of the Bible literally.
Yet, those who think that they are more Biblicaly pure, often do not.
Why is that? Again, the Bible NEVER claims the authority that you have given to the Bible. How could it? The Bible did not exist until long after all of its original authors were dead, and the Bible did not exist as one volume of several, separate "Books" until the 3rd Century. The point is NOT to denigrate the Bible, but instead to put the Bible in its proper place. To do otherwise is IDOLATRY, or Worship of the Bible, which is also something that was never intended by God.
There are Bhuddist and Hindu writings that do that pretty well.
There are atheist Philosophers who have written books that do that as well.
If the only purpose of the Bible is to teach us how we should live, then why is the Bible special?
Why is the Bible a better book that this:
This nation's founders proudly declared that the Bible contained all that man needed to know, and was an ideal school text book. Paul said the same thing in his own way, and cautioned against dabbling in philosophy. (the word used for 'science' in his day)
The Bible only became ONE BOOK because of the Roman Catholic Church, which included the Eastern Orthodox, at that time, and their specific counsels as to what should and should not be included in the Bible.
It is interesting that the two OLDEST Christian faiths do not view the Bible as a 100% accurate historical or scientific text.
When the Bible speaks of science or history, it is understood that such writing is LIMITED by the knowledge of each, individual author.
The Bible is INSPIRED by God, and it is accurate where it NEEDS to be accurate.
It was not the purpose of the Bible to be a scientific journal, so only the spiritual revelations, which are its purpose, are to be taken literally.
Because the Bible wasn’t written by an anti-Platonic bigot like Pirsig :^(
Well they should have left out Christ's own WORDS, penned by Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold I have foretold you all things. Guess Christ had NOT been informed about the evolutionary process.
At least you agree that the world is at least 3.75 million years old. That is a start at least. It separates you from 99% of the creationists who think that the earth is seven thousand years old.
Personally I place little credence in the fossil record it is way too random and subjective for my tastes. The genetic record is much more complete and readable.
The best comment on this I heard: "We don't know if the fossils had descendents, we do know the DNA had ancestors."
That is good : )
Here in Georgia concerned parents placed a sticker on science tests reminding students evolution is a theory and they were sued.
Who thought that the Theory of Evolution wasn't a theory and who had standing to sue? What was the result?
I have 4 simple questions that you might ponder regarding evolution. So far none of the FR erudite evolutionary scholars have bothered to answer even one of these...
1. What is the evolutionary explanation for stasis in the fossil record?
2. What is the evolutionary explanation for polystrate fossils?
3. Since no biological clocks can be assured of 100% accuracy, why does evolutionary science completely discard the hundred or so other younger biological, geological, and astronomical clocks in favor of only a very few indicating billions of years for earth and universe?
4. What was it that Darwin himself said would absolutely cause his theory of evolution to fall apart? Personally I think the quote from Darwin is the best evidence against evolution but you’ll have to do your own digging to see what he said.
Once you realize the folly in trying to explain these 4 simple questions above you might try moving on to all that is presented at creationscience.com.
Lastly Kansas58 you might try researching a little about the science that the Bible has made clear. One of the best examples is the water cycle. Another is man made from dust. Then there’s the health benefits for moderate wine consumption - not found with any other type of alcohol. Or how about the eery parallels between Genesis and the big bang theory?
Anyway your argument is a strawman at best. The Bible is intended to show us the truth about our present fallen state and lead us to saving faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Any truths presented there about science simply show that God’s wisdom and knowledge will always surpass the conclusions reached by mere mortal men. If you really think you can debunk the Bible then please start by giving us your studied opinion of Psalm 22 written hundreds of years before Christ’ time on earth.
A couple of more points about the Bible. If you believe that the Catholics assembled it in the 3rd century then why have they included more books than the ‘other’ Bibles in use today?
What is your opinion of 2nd Timothy 3:16?
Where it says: “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.”
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