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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: PeaRidge
The data given by Klein is based on the Official Records, and you have been given three sources to support that...including your favorite--"The Official Records". Klein flatly states that there were varying numbers on the original troop counts and what eventually arrived at Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens. Here is what he quotes:

I think that you're the one being deceptive and/or absurd and not me. In reply 988 you allegedly quote Klein saying that there were 'approximately 11 ships' and 'approximately 2000 troops'. That shrank to 8 ships and 1400 troops in reply 1108. Not you post a link that says 8 ships and 1400 troops AND crew, not 1400 troops. I'll wait until you can arrive at a consistent story.

If you have trouble with the count, you will see it is 11 ships and 1400 men and troops according to this official record.

Pawnee, Powhatan, Harriet Lane, Baltic, Illinois, Atlantic, Yankee, and Uncle Ben. Sorry but no matter how many time I count that it comes to 8 and not 11. And before you claim was 1400 troops, not men and troops. Like I said, your tale changes by the hour.

But this is off the point, which was your denial that there was ever a "secret" effort on Lincoln's part to deceive the Confederate leaders, which I have shown you is completely false.

You've shown nothing of the sort.

1,161 posted on 07/05/2009 9:54:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BroJoeK
You quote Harper's Weekly saying the Georgia governor seized Fort Pulaski "to prevent federal troops from taking it."

Say what? Were there no troops already IN the fort?

Interesting question. I looked it up and found this interesting National Parks Service web site that explains what was going on. [Link] (The answer is no, there were no federal troops in the fort.)

1,162 posted on 07/05/2009 9:57:24 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: BroJoeK

This site says there were two men at Fort Pulaski at the time the Georgia militia took it over on January 3. http://ourgeorgiahistory.com/wars/Civil_War/ftpulaski.html


1,163 posted on 07/05/2009 10:28:29 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: PeaRidge
Interesting web site.........It seems that the war college at West Point believes that the first shot was fired in Vicksburg, several days before Ft. Sumter. Do you have any info. on that?

Perhaps they are referring to this January 1861 cannon shot at Vicksburg: Link

The Governor of Mississippi was warned that Federal troops were coming down the river for action against Mississippi a la the Star of the West. So he stopped ships on the river to inspect their content. After inspection he let them proceed. A cannon shot was fired across the bow of one ship (or perhaps several) that did not heed the request to stop for inspection. Nothing was found in the inspections, so the effort to inspect ships was stopped after a few days.

1,164 posted on 07/05/2009 11:10:24 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: PeaRidge
What Wise said does not have any relevance to pre-war shipping patterns.

How does it not? Prior to the rebellion virtually all imports landed in Northern ports and virtually all cotton exports left from Southern ones. How can that make sense if your claim that the South consumed the vast majority of all imports is true?

1,165 posted on 07/05/2009 12:32:08 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
And your source for that, that will refute both the Official Records, and Davis, and the US Naval Records?

Two of those three sources refute your claim, and Davis' claim, that there were 1400 troops bound for Sumter and/or Pickens. The OR, and the link you posted earlier, prove Davis and you to be wildly exaggerating the number of troops involved. "Allegiance" by David Detzer puts the total at 200. Your own link posted earlier puts it at 160. You are proven wrong by your own sources.

1,166 posted on 07/05/2009 12:44:10 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
You have been laying out that deceptive bunny path for years, and is irrelevant to this string.

But shows your claim that the South consumed the majority of all imports to be impossible.

1,167 posted on 07/05/2009 12:45:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
You have raised that issue dozens of times, and it has been explained to you in detail. Do not divert this thread by introducing misdirections.

Bull. But if you think it has then by all means feel free to go over it again.

1,168 posted on 07/05/2009 12:47:25 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
To summarize your contention, you apparently want to assert that despite secession, that the tariff revenue stream would not be broken with secession.

How could it be? If $19 out of every $20 of tariff revenue was generated by Northern consumers then how could the South's secession break that? It may reduce it slightly. It may cause some budget shortfalls. But the revenue stream would continue, with or without the South's exports. As the FY1863 figures showed; without the South providing anything close to pre-rebellion export levels the U.S. still imported enough to generate $103 million in tariffs.

So that's why one can easily show that your claim that the South's secession broke the revenue stream is complete nonsense. And why the three pieces of evidence I gave supports this.

1,169 posted on 07/05/2009 12:52:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
"The power confided to me, will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property, and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts..."

And you ignored what follows: "...but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States in any interior locality shall be so great and universal as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the Government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating and so nearly impracticable withal that I deem it better to forego for the time the uses of such offices. The mails, unless repelled, will continue to be furnished in all parts of the Union. So far as possible the people everywhere shall have that sense of perfect security which is most favorable to calm thought and reflection.:

In other words, all government functions would continue without interruption, but in such a manner that would avoid escalating the crisis. But escalation of the crisis was what Davis wanted all along.

1,170 posted on 07/05/2009 1:00:23 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: usmcobra; All
NOPE, LIAR. once more (NOT a surprise to ANYBODY here.) you get caught AGAIN in a STUPID, clumsy,LIE that makes you appear brain-DEAD, as well as DIS-honest.

it was the TEXAS Navy & the book is REAL, though "bubba, the LIAR" will try mightily to convince everyone otherwise. (fwiw, he SAID that he TRIED to buy a copy of that "nonexistent book"!!!)

laughing AT you & the other DIMWITS of "The DAMNyankee Coven of FOOLS, LIARS, BIGOTS, etc", who are DIM enough to believe ANYTHING you post.

free dixie,sw

1,171 posted on 07/05/2009 4:51:24 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra; All
i'm fascinated that you believe that ANYBODY (even the other BIGOTS, VULGAR-mouthed LOUTS & FOOLS of "The DY Coven") believes anything that you claim after you admitted that you NEVER worked a single day for the New Orleans Confederate Museum, when you had claimed for MONTHS that you were a "staff-member of the museum".

LAUGHING AT YOU,LIAR as MOST readers here DO.

free dixie,sw

1,172 posted on 07/05/2009 4:56:00 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: central_va
"There will be no freedom, then."

Nonsense. You are today 100% free to sit on your b*tt, b*tch, moan and complain about alleged injustices 150 years ago.

You are also 100% free to get off your dead *ss, go and talk to your neighbors, friends, associates & anyone else who'll listen about voting for more conservative candidates.

So which actions do you expect would produce the better results?

1,173 posted on 07/05/2009 5:05:33 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: stand watie
"be sure & show everyone WHERE in the US Constitution (or ELSEWHERE in the laws of the USA, for that matter) UNILATERAL SECESSION is outlawed."

In 1860 the issue was argued in two ways, as I understand it:

But the real argument was: even though the Constitution does not explicitly forbid secession, it does forbid "rebellion," "insurrection," and "domestic violence," all of which the South clearly committed against federal property and people -- starting even before some states seceded.

Therefore it was a "War of Southern Rebellion," with full Constitutional sanction.

1,174 posted on 07/05/2009 5:32:28 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: stand watie
So now they were part of the "Texas" Navy and you still claim that they captured a German U Boat during WWII and that, that U Boat is on display in Galveston.....

Why is it then that The Texas Navy has no records of these feat or even pictures of the events on their website?

1,175 posted on 07/05/2009 5:34:06 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: BroJoeK
in other words, the war against the southern states was UN-Constitutional. period. end of story.

the power of DAMNyankee bayonets did NOT make "mr linkums war" either JUST or even moral. instead, the war to "preserve the union of the UN-willing" was simply CRIMINAL on the part of his MIS-administration & for nothing more than POLITICAL POWER & $$$$$$$$$$$ for the northern ELITES.

furthermore, a century & a half of DAMNyankee SELF-serving, sanctimonious, LIES have not changed the TRUTH.= the war against the CSA was/IS still DISHONORABLE.

free dixie,sw

1,176 posted on 07/05/2009 8:13:36 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra
why is it that you are still, AFTER being an SELF-admitted LIAR, here on FR???

get the message: NOBODY believes you on ANY subject. your reputation is RUINED.

free dixie,sw

1,177 posted on 07/05/2009 8:15:59 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra
a simple YES/NO answer, please = did the FOUR magazines, that are listed in # 1150, CONSPIRE to FOOL their own readers by reviewing a NON-EXISTENT book???? (you don't stay in business long doing that.)

or have we once more found you to be IGNORANT of the truth, "not overburdened with gray matter" and/or simply being DISHONEST???

free dixie,sw

1,178 posted on 07/05/2009 8:23:40 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

On the other hand, your “reputation”, that of a bigoted baboon, remains intact. “Everyone” says so ;’}


1,179 posted on 07/05/2009 9:15:26 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: BroJoeK
Nonsense. You are today 100% free to sit on your b*tt, b*tch, moan and complain about alleged injustices 150 years ago.

What good is personal freedom without economic freedom? Your Yankee grade freedom is for the birds. I am a white male, as such the Feds have institutionalized racism against me, that alone causes me to question my "freedom".

1,180 posted on 07/06/2009 5:05:03 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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