Posted on 04/23/2009 5:53:08 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
Full color coffee stain on undecided ping.
LOL. I guess so.
btt
Communist Party USA opposed going to war against Hitler until he betrayed their blessed Uncle Joe Stalin, murderer.
They actively protested in the streets against war. Communists. Protesting in the streets. Against war. Imagine that. Same as it ever was.
They became decidedly PRO-war when Stalin got betrayed.
And Woody Gutherie put a slogan on his guitar that “this machine kills fascists” but he and Pete Seeger were cool with fascism for awhile anyways.
A “majority” of the people were wrong then, and a “majority” of the people are wrong now.
To my way of thinking now, there are several major threats or problems in the world right now.
Islamofascism, Muslims, Islam.
Obama.
Naivete.
Democrats.
PC baloney.
Multiculturalism as equal to Western civilization.
Leftism in all it’s forms.
Most college professors and the leftwing hegemony over the educational system.
Idiots in Hollywood and the so called “main stream media”.
Useful idiots everywhere.
The passive, ignorant, do nothings.
It could be a much longer list.
Much of that list boils down to either Islamic Supremacist imperialism (and make no mistake, that is what Islamic theocratic rule is and all muslims are bowing to the Islamic capital 5 times a day every day) or Socialism.
Political Correctness is the acceptance of Socialist dogma. No debate. No dissent. The issues have been settled by damned intellectuals. You can read up on these issues and “arguments” for the politically correct conclusion, but do not try to debate against the issues. If you do, you will be branded politically incorrect. Not a 100% fellow traveller. You can be blacklisted.
Which brings us to academic bias. Guess where the damned intellectuals find employment, speaking engagements, and indoctrinate the next generation?
And then there is the Pravda Media, which serves the New Democrat Party (the one that came to power in 1968 to slowly take over the party of Jefferson). The radicals who rioted in the streets and inside the convention in 1968 became the anchors on the nightly news, the editors of newspapers, and elected members of Congress. They rose to the the top of the party.
Guess where Obama fits?
Some very interesting things in the Gallup Poll.
1. People favored a peace conference. All well and good in principle, I suppose; try real diplomacy instead of instigating war. The problem was that at this time, Chamberlain’s sellout at Munich had set the bar too low for peace conferences. A peace conference is the place for very strong diplomacy, not a sellout. This is a very relevant lesson that needs to be applied today, and always.
2. 94% of those polled said Germany & Italy would start the the next war. I don’t know that I’ve EVER seen a Gallup poll with those numbers. It’s pretty clear at this time that everyone sees where the international problem lies. What bothers me is that today, you would not get the same numbers if the same question were asked of Iran. Worse, Gallup would not even ask the question. It’s not on their political agenda.
3. There is a nagging feeling among a significant portion of the American public that Britain and France botched the Treaty of Versailles. Despite the poll number that 94% believe Germany will be the aggressor in the next war, 40% believe she was unfairly treated by Britain and France by the post-WWI peace. I could characterize this feeling as “looks like the Krauts are going to start another war, but I can see where they are coming from since they’ve been treated like crap.”
bttt
Sobering polling data, HomerJ.
"People who understand how to deal with Hitler" is obviously not an important group.
This majorities change quickly and the most popular office holders often change with the majorities. Rarely do such office holders lead, but quickly do they change.
Good point. Indeed just a superfluous part of society. They must have been rational individuals, conservatives, veterans, gun owners, a sure group to put on the ignore but watch closely list.
Imho, an important point. What it means is that at least 40% have bought into German propaganda to the effect that innocent Germans did not start the First World War, and so did not deserve such punishment after-wards.
If you asked the same question today, probably 80% of Americans never heard of the Versailles treaty, but of those who know about it, something like 94% would say the Germans got a bum deal. Of course the reason is, that's what every history book of the last 50 years tells us.
But the truth is, the Kaiser's government did start WWI, and for no reason except to conquer and dominate Europe. And the peace imposed by Germany on conquered Belgium and Russia was harsher than that imposed by the allies on Germany.
So Hitler's moves in 1939 had little to do with redressing just grievances, and everything to do with completing the Kaiser's unfinished agenda from 1914.
The correct policies for western allies would have been, first of all, do everything possible to encourage success and Versailles compliance of the old Weimar Republic. Failing that (the Great Depression might have made success impossible), the new policy regarding Hitler should be to oppose him strongly at every turn. He needed to be defeated early (i.e., Rhineland 1936) and often.
Of course, that would mean risking war, which most western citizens did not want, nor yet think inevitable, because, after all, didn't the Germans have some reasonable complaints? Besides, if Germany collapsed, who would defend the west against Stalin's Communism?
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