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Why does the USA have such a large conventional military?

Posted on 03/06/2009 2:59:24 AM PST by linbiao123

FYI: I have no first hand experience with a real world military or weapons development.

Why does the US have such a large conventional military? A military half the current size would be able to defeat any other country, bomb Iran into the stone age (albeit take twice as long to do so), or fight al qaeda in Afghanistan. Moreover, 'fighting' terrorists is something best done with special forces and spies, with the conventional military providing death from above on demand.

With the exception of a future China, no other nation will have the ability to economically outdo the United States.

Why does the US military insist on having weapon systems designed specifically for itself instead of purchasing 'off the shelf'? What is wrong with letting another country make a proven weapon system and then buying a manufacturing license like Iraq, Iran, India and other countries do with Russia while we stick to designing superiority weapons like the F22 and the next generation attack submarine? The US is designing a future destroyer. So is Britain. Why not buy destroyers from Britain?

We have (had?) an industrial base and can always build more arms and armor if the need arises.

If the concern is protecting American lives from external (terrorist) threats, a new wall on the 2000 mile US-Mexico border would cost ~8 billion (http://www.weneedafence.com/). With 1 watchperson per mile at 40 hour shift (4 shifts for 24/7 surveillance), and $75,000 per person per year (including overhead), nets $600 million in annual salary. If one wants to be more ambitious, tripling the budget would allow a similar border on the Canadian border. Further, sea borders could be patrolled by small surveillance craft, predator UAVs and coast guard patrol boats. To patrol the US sea borders could run in the low tens of billions/year.

Note: I do not think the smaller military would be able to hold all of Iraq. We might have invaded, and then left at least part of the country, or bombed Iraq back to the stone age to halt Saddam's inexorable drive to get nuclear weapons if we had a smaller military.


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1 posted on 03/06/2009 2:59:24 AM PST by linbiao123
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To: linbiao123

Vanity much?


2 posted on 03/06/2009 3:03:10 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: linbiao123

See my tagline.


3 posted on 03/06/2009 3:04:26 AM PST by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: linbiao123

Member since February 27, 2009.


4 posted on 03/06/2009 3:04:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: linbiao123
FYI: I have no first hand experience with a real world military or weapons development.

That says it all. Whay not educate yourself instead of posting preposterous assumptions and invalid recommendations?

5 posted on 03/06/2009 3:05:01 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: linbiao123

We don’t. The current standing US military is not in any way large. It’s adequate to its tasks, no more and no less.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 3:05:06 AM PST by Terpfen (Ain't over yet, folks. Those 2004 Senate gains are up for grabs in 2 years.)
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To: linbiao123

So we can make sure the ONLY FREE COUNTRY can stay free from enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC...

Next question?


7 posted on 03/06/2009 3:06:27 AM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: Terpfen

Actually its a bit small for the current tasks.


8 posted on 03/06/2009 3:11:12 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: linbiao123

You have a moniker of lin biao and you’re asking US?

http://www.google.com/search?&rls=en&q=linbiao&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here’s a question for you, “Why does CHINA has such a large army?”


9 posted on 03/06/2009 3:13:41 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

correction=have


10 posted on 03/06/2009 3:14:01 AM PST by Cindy
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To: linbiao123
(1) While I agree that the US military could, even at half its current size, defeat any other nation on earth, that does not mean that it would do so as effectively or as safely. I'll put it simply - would you rather deal with a situation using 100,000 troops and lose 2,000 of them - or deal with it using 50,000 troops and lose 5,000 of them? Overwhelming force often limits casualties far more effectively than lesser force.

(2) No nation can assume that it will only face one enemy at a time. Imagine the US finding itself in a war against China, Russia, India, Japan, Indonesia, and Vietnam all at once? It's hard to imagine a situation where that type of alliance would form - but you have to plan for the unimaginable to at least some extent.

(3) The US does buy some military hardware from other nations, but there are massive advantages to building your own and making sure that you retain the capability to build your own. Even if, hypothetically for example, Britain has developed a warship that would fill an American need admirably, by building its own, America, first of all, ensures that it continues to develop skills and technologies that can be used in future ships (which may not be ones they can get elsewhere) and secondly allows for the potential of export sales to other nations (such as my own country of Australia). And even if another friendly nation is building an equivalent vessel, the competition involved in building your own will tend to make both nations better at what they are doing (not to mention the potential sharing of information) - which is better? The UK and the US (and, for that matter, I would include Australia when it comes to some classes of warship) each building their own high quality vessels, each trying to produce something better than the others, and therefore each improving their own production - or just building one class that, though very good, could have been better with a bit of friendly rivalry and more people working on and sharing information with other friendly nations. And this is without considering the fact that more designs means more innovation and somewhere else to go if a flaw develops.

11 posted on 03/06/2009 3:14:49 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: linbiao123
linbiao123 Since Feb 27, 2009

"I have no first hand experience with a real world military or weapons development."

Go back to DU!
12 posted on 03/06/2009 3:16:27 AM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: naturalman1975

One obvious point I forgot to mention (still shook up by our little earthquake here). The ideal way to fight a war is not to have to fight it - a large military is far more of a deterrent than a smaller one. Countries are less likely to go to war against the United States with its current military than a smaller one. And that’s a whole other layer of protection. And not just for the US - it helps to shield a lot of US allies too.

Si vis pacem, para bellum - if you want peace, prepare for war.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 3:22:56 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: linbiao123
First this guy says:

"FYI: I have no first hand experience with a real world military or weapons development. "

Then he says:

"... A military half the current size would be able to defeat any other country..."

So, after conceding he knows nothing about a topic, he proceeds to state his opinion as fact, on that very same topic.

Obviously a liberal.

14 posted on 03/06/2009 3:26:24 AM PST by wny
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To: linbiao123

This General Patton riding one of the few tanks (most of the tanks used were trucks with a "I am a tank" sign on the side) used in the Louisiana Maneuvers in 1941

With the speed to today's warfare this country would be overrun before it could even begin to match it's output during WWII. That's why we have a military today unlike the paltry force we used to have between wars in the past.

15 posted on 03/06/2009 3:28:45 AM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: linbiao123
Why does the USA have such a large conventional military?

These questions have been asked many times over the years but... The U.S. will most likely be "compacting" its unit sizes over the coming years as most new conflicts will be "low intensity", the large units are World War and "Cold War" hold overs built for large battle fields...

The future battles will be fought with Special Operations units and technology; Robotics, UAV, Cyber-warfare, etc.

Buying weapons systems from other countries, not such a good idea... should we ever get on that countries bad side they could withhold equipment or spare parts basically removing that equipment from use or diminishing its effectiveness. Plus our weaponry is cutting edge that everyone else wants to get their hands on. If it came down to it, Would you rather go into battle on a U.S. made warship or a French made ship?

Note: I do not think the smaller military would be able to hold all of Iraq.

The are many variables in holding a country, a smaller unit size would not be good at all, as we saw initially in Iraq. If you can't actively patrol the whole area, insurgents will just fill in behind you as you leave an area, or they will operate out of an area that you are not actively suppressing, and you also have to get into force protection, Air superiority, Supply etc... all that takes a lot of people and equipment.

16 posted on 03/06/2009 3:30:06 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: linbiao123

IBTZ


17 posted on 03/06/2009 3:32:03 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: linbiao123
The answer requires the same amount of thought that went into the question.

Becuz.

18 posted on 03/06/2009 3:32:58 AM PST by stevem
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To: linbiao123

Why? you ask Why? because they have lots of little tiny helicopters in the White House Gift Shop that are given
to Gordon Brown’s boy’s John and James that’s why.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 3:38:48 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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To: linbiao123

Welcome to Free Republic.

You do understand evil, I presume? Unless you are a liberal, you do. Liberals don’t believe in Evil. Liberals think that if something or someone is bad, something or someone made it that way.

The United States has learned from harsh experience (which it is in the process of un-learning with its newest Dear Leader in office) that evil only understands and respects one thing: Force.

Strength is all evil understands. You cannot be nice to evil. You cannot reason with evil. You cannot make deals with evil. You cannot negotiate with evil.

Evil views negotiation, civility, reason and forbearance as weakness, and will inevitably try to exploit and take advantage of it.

Our new Jimmy Carter, our “President of Hope and Change” is only one of two things: Someone who WANTS to sell our country down the river to our enemies, or someone who is too stupid to understand the nature of evil. Personally, I think it is both.

Communism is Evil. And as F.A. Hayek so eloquently lays out in his book “The Road to Serfdom”, Socialism is evil because it inevitably leads to totalitarianism.

And just so you know: I have first hand experience with the military, and regard myself as a historian. If you understood history, and you understood the nature of the military, you wouldn’t have to ask these questions.

Just a question: Did you vote for Obama? Or even more to the point: Are you an American? You use “we” in your vanity post, but I have my doubts.


20 posted on 03/06/2009 3:44:26 AM PST by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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