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The S-Word (vanity)

Posted on 02/07/2009 5:48:27 AM PST by BobL

At this point it’s clear that any pretense of fiscal responsibility by our government is over. Not only is spending and debt going through the roof, the long-term goals of this administration (i.e., global warming, locking up land from development, arms reduction/elimination, etc.) almost assure us that we will be Third-World within a decade, and the rest of the world will simply bypass us as our major goals will seeking food and clean water, and hoping that China, Russia, Mexico, and other countries don’t choose to exact revenge on us.

So, that brings us to the S-word, especially here in Texas. I won’t spell out the S-word, since that would probably bring in the soon-to-be formed Internet Goon Squad, so we’ll work around it. But I do think that a serious discussion of the S-word will begin to leave these web pages and move more mainstream, probably within a year , as the effects of the debt start to really to strangle people. After all, the main reason to hold together is that a larger country is generally able to project more power on the world stage and look after common interests. Since we seem to be walking away from having any military power, don’t seem to have any common interests anymore (i.e., red state, blue state divide), and are putting in place measures to assure that we never recover (i.e., Global Warming, National Health Care), the main drawbacks of breaking apart start to go away, and the benefits of breaking apart start to make more and more sense.

So, how would we here in Texas structure things without the “help” of Washington, DC? Note, I’ve already been promised by two people that Oklahoma will join us. I also think that we have a good shot at Arkansas and Louisiana, and if we get them, then Mississippi and Alabama, and, maybe, finally, North Florida would fall into place. In other words, we’d be pretty a big country, able to take care of ourselves.

My first thoughts are cultural…but then much more:

1) We could seal off our southern border, once and for all.

2) We can real employee verification for legal status.

3) English as the Official Language

4) Real welfare reform (or elimination…go to a church if you need help)

5) We could by trucks, light bulbs, toilets that flush, washing machines that clean, and SUVs again (yes, they will still be built for China).

6) We could buy those vehicles without air bags and with a much less costly (but still very effective) emission control system.

7) We could build and expand refineries, and burn coal…as much as necessary

8) We could finally reform public schools, by getting rid of tenure, teachers unions, calculators, and most computers. In other words do what has worked in the past (and hopefully have Dr. Sowell as the Education Secretary…if we have one)

9) Children could have a moment of silence without some ACLU guy screaming

10) We could handle abortion as we wish (rather than having 9 dead [or almost dead] judges dictate to us). 11) We could drill off-shore.

12) We could build as many nukes as we need or want, simply by going to France and either having them manage the task or license their (flawless) technology to us. We could then export our excess power (particularly wind power) either north or south.

13) We could eliminate labor unions and become competitive with the rest of the world. Sounds drastic, but their time has passed, and labor will have plenty of means of redress.

14) We could straighten our legal system, both criminal and civil. No more last minute appeals to federal court to stop executions, no more predatory lawsuits.

15) Needless to say, endangered species would be on their own…we are not going to sink our economy or destroy people’s lives to save something that doesn’t deserve to survive in the first place.

16) No more drawn out processes to block economic growth. There will be some processes, like streamlined environmental reviews, but those the permitting process will have to be done in something like a year (at most) – with no room for judicial interference.

17) No more threats from Washington to force seat belts or rebrand social drinkers as drunk drivers, due to a bunch of guilt-ridden loud-mouthed women (and no, I’ve ALWAYS worn my seat belt, long before it was required, and yes, we do need drunk driving laws…but not at 2 beers – and no, I never had a DUI).

18) End (to the extent possible) the intrusion of Big Brother into our society. One way is to pay for roads with the gas tax. If the tax is not high enough, then raise it. But don’t stick someone in a database every time they drive out to get milk. Same for “Smart (electric) Meters”…you’ll be hearing about just what they are capable of soon enough.

19) No more anchor babies.

20) Free market for health care (or at least much less restricted – such as the ability to buy insurance that doesn’t cover substance abuse…for those of us who don’t plan to abuse substances)

These are a few. Essentially, we could go back to where we were just several decades ago. We will still have environmental laws…cars will have to be clean, but not spotless, and definitely not electric. We will be able to raise kids as we wish and say Merry Christmas again. We will be able to tell a women they look good at work and not be sued. Jesse Jackson’s (and soon Eric Holder’s) extortion tactics will not work here. Same to ACORN and the Hispanic revolutionary bunch.

The drawbacks…just about everyone can be countered. I’ll list a few:

1. The benefit of common defense doesn’t help when we don’t have a defense in the first place and have withdrawn as a superpower – due to being broke, if no other reason.

2. The benefit of a large, open, market doesn’t help when the rest of the market is a total basket case, more interested in looking like Zimbabwe and saving the world from Global Warming.

3. The idea of trying to fix the system from within, which would be ideal, is not possible when you have a Supreme Court making law…cannot be done. The Constitution is non-functional.

4. The possibility that Washington will resist…only legitimate drawback.

Finally, how would the rest of the country react? Hard to tell. At first they will not believe we are serious, since it’s been a long time before there was this type of move. Next, there will be a large faction that will be thrilled to have us bible-thumpers (and the Bush’s) out of their country, so that they can finish their work in making their territory some type of “workers’ paradise”. Finally, there will be a segment that will figure out that we will have quite a stranglehold of the remaining territory, given our chemical, oil, and refining capability, and then especially if we hold the mouth of the Mississippi River, and may actually want to fight. Which faction wins…hard to tell, only one way to find out.

As to our share of the debt (which will be about $1.5T by then), easy – we forego our share of the Social Security Trust Fund and take care of our seniors without Washington’s help. It should be about a wash. If they don’t like that idea, then maybe we take the debt, and simply default on it – not a great way to start, but certainly better than trying to pay it down.

So, what do you guys think? I’m not really interested in the feasibility of the idea, but more the mechanics of it and what outcome could be. Since, if the outcome can be made to work, the feasibility will improve as Washington realizes we mean business. And keep in mind, I’m just trying to get ahead of the curve here…this discussion will begin soon, because of our debt, if nothing else.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: cwii; cwiiping; debt; get9r9done; godblesstexas; texas
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To: Melas

Socialist troll. Who’s paying you?


101 posted on 02/09/2009 2:22:05 PM PST by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism)
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To: Vor Lady

Cool...we’ll get it into the Constitution.


102 posted on 02/09/2009 6:37:31 PM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Eye of Unk

Sounds like an awesome Constitution, I think we’ll use most of it.


103 posted on 02/09/2009 6:39:52 PM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Ancesthntr

Let’s make the 2nd Amendment what it SHOULD have been all along - anything you can carry, you can own. Specifically, no restrictions on full autos that don’t exist for other firearms. No special license, no tax, no CLEO sign-off, no matter if you have mixed full- and semi-auto parts in the same gun.

Let’s see Uncle mess with Texas when you have 500,000 or more full autos here, along with our own armor (Ft. Hood) our own airbases (all over the place) and probably a bunch of nukes (they ARE manufactured at the PANTEX plant near Amarillo).

We would be a magnet for freedom-loving Americans in all states - we’d get the most committed, most capable people to move here.”

...and let’s see what happens with crime (guarantee it’ll put the world to shame).


104 posted on 02/09/2009 6:41:27 PM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Ancesthntr

“Are you really worried about Mexico?”

Not overly...but a nation must look after itself and be ready to deal with any contingency. If the Mexicans mass on the border, it could be a fight...but we just have to be sure it’s a fight that they lose.


105 posted on 02/09/2009 6:43:46 PM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: TheBigIf

His S word is not socialism, it was SECESSION


107 posted on 02/10/2009 4:47:17 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: BobL

LOL!


108 posted on 02/10/2009 6:43:22 AM PST by Vor Lady (This tagline extinct due to gorebull warming.)
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To: Vor Lady

I wish any state or group of states that attempt the s-word a cautionary good luck. I would support and defend that effort. But... If O is potus, I think he will choose to fullfill his Lincoln fetish and spill volumes of blood to preserve the union.


109 posted on 02/14/2009 9:59:28 AM PST by catbertz
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To: Ancesthntr

Nahh. Mine fields.


110 posted on 02/14/2009 11:38:45 AM PST by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: catbertz
He might want to be careful about that, there are a lot of folks that “shour `nuf” really can help him spill all the NWO blood he cares to.

I hope he does not think all those ammo shelves in Wally-World and sporting goods shops across the entire u.S. were emptied by the Good Fairy for Communism.

111 posted on 02/15/2009 5:54:48 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: BobL

We know what failed the South, lack of manufacturing. Now, the country as a whole lacks manufacturing on a large scale. Before seceding, make sure you have a way to manufacture big guns, planes and ammo ‘cause we’ll be fighting not only the rest of the US but probably the UN bluehats. I’m all for it and would hope the rest of the Southern states would join in but we will go to war so we must be prepared.


112 posted on 02/15/2009 6:17:08 AM PST by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
When Texas becomes an independent republic again, maybe I can get one of my cousins to sponsor me so I cam be a legal immigrant to the ‘new’ Republic of Texas.

LOL!

If sponsorship is an issue, let me know. My ancestors were here prior to the 'old' Republic of Texas.

113 posted on 02/15/2009 6:17:57 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT an administrative, collective, corporate, legal, political or public ~entity~!!!)
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To: Melas
We have these programs, because family and church failed. The New Deal resonated with the public when it was first conceived because the voluntary and charitable solutions were already failing. It’s a political fact in any system that when private solutions fail, the people will indeed demand that government step in. It’s played out countless times in countless nations.

True, but one has to wonder if the social system failed because of the selfishness of the People, or because the New Deal came with new taxes, forcing the People to make a decision about how to use their resources.

114 posted on 02/15/2009 6:34:59 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT an administrative, collective, corporate, legal, political or public ~entity~!!!)
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To: snippy_about_it

My dream is to not have a fight...I think that there is a reasonable chance of pulling this off peacefully.


115 posted on 02/15/2009 7:20:07 AM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: BobL

Native Texan who relocated to the peoples republic of Massachusetts because of my wife. I have been here 1 1/2 years and it is sad to see what the birthplace of the revolution has become; a lost cause. With that being said it is evident to me that I will eventually have to move back the Republic of Texas. This is the text of my email to friends and family scattered about the country.

“It is already starting. Based on the “stimulus” package passed on Friday the 13th (appropriate date), the final nail has been placed in the coffin of a once great republic. I forsee dark clouds ahead which will lead to prolonged severe depression, food shortages and riots. The seeds have been sown for the revolution that is inevitable now.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts

We have two choices. We can stand pat and continue to see our liberties, freedom and wealth continue to be stolen from us by our marxist government. Or we can draw a line in the sand and stand up for our inalienble rights and break away from from the tyranny that has become our federal government. It is only apporpriate that it begin in Texas, which will become a republic once again, and one day we may all need to follow in the footsteps of Davey Crockett when he said ‘..you may go to hell, I am going to Texas!’”


116 posted on 02/15/2009 7:20:43 AM PST by thepainster
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To: thepainster

Thanks. Revolution is a tough word, I prefer something like mutually agreed separation. We go our way and try out our free-market system, and Washington gets to become super-red and see how that works for them.


117 posted on 02/15/2009 7:24:47 AM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: BobL

It would be nice if they would let us separate. But alas, I do not think they would let us do that peacefully. Me thinks the Beatles were clarvoyant....


118 posted on 02/15/2009 7:53:28 AM PST by thepainster
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To: BobL

>>Please do...automatic citizenship for anyone who’s been a FReeper since 2005 (that way I’m covered).<<

Bttt


119 posted on 02/15/2009 8:35:12 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: ataDude
Nahh. Mine fields.

But quad-.50s can be moved much more easily, and they are much more intimidating.

120 posted on 02/16/2009 12:35:29 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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