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Life As We Know It Nearly Created in Lab
livescience.com ^ | January 11, 2009 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 01/11/2009 2:16:04 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

One of life's greatest mysteries is how it began. Scientists have pinned it down to roughly this:

Some chemical reactions occurred about 4 billion years ago — perhaps in a primordial tidal soup or maybe with help of volcanoes or possibly at the bottom of the sea or between the mica sheets — to create biology.

Now scientists have created something in the lab that is tantalizingly close to what might have happened. It's not life, they stress, but it certainly gives the science community a whole new data set to chew on.

The researchers, at the Scripps Research Institute, created molecules that self-replicate and even evolve and compete to win or lose. If that sounds exactly like life, read on to learn the controversial and thin distinction.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; geeksgonewild; godcomplex; hubris; nowmakethedirt
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To: TigersEye
Odds are "consciousness" arises in some manner from a super computer array built along a strand or two of DNA ~ right from the beginning.

That "consciousness" might well be in charge of the "evolution" of its own container.

21 posted on 01/11/2009 3:32:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I don’t know how you calculate those odds but it is also possible that consciousness doesn’t require any physical “container” to exist. Perhaps it just takes advantage of them as you already suggested.


22 posted on 01/11/2009 3:35:19 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hype and hope in equal measure.


23 posted on 01/11/2009 3:36:13 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: freedumb2003
Now if you go back 4.1 billion years ago and discover that what we think of as Earth was just the rocky core of a gas giant nearing its Sun, the ol'place begins to look a lot like many other solar systems we've found.

In fact many of them have numerous gas giants near their central stars. Just a matter of time until some sort of solar wind blows the gas away, which will also expand the orbits of the residual rocky cores, and something might pop up close enough to visit us someday.

24 posted on 01/11/2009 3:38:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye
Let's start with 100% certainty and work backwards.

One current view is that "we exist" because our universe is built/designed/screwed around with such that "we can exist".

If so, the odds are 100% certain that consciousness probably starts at the point where the little teeny tiny computer gizmos in/on Dna TURN ON.

Or at least at the moment nothing else is on the horizon.

Once you get consciousnes down at the DNA level all the supposition about evolution becomes so much dross and drek.

25 posted on 01/11/2009 3:41:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“If so” and “100% certainty” are nearly polar opposites in the conceptual realm.


26 posted on 01/11/2009 3:46:20 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye

Then think of it as kind of “open ended” ~ an infinite cornucopia bounded on one end, but we don’t know which one!


27 posted on 01/11/2009 3:52:20 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I think of it more like an “unanswered question.” Possibly an unanswerable question.


28 posted on 01/11/2009 4:02:04 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Not really. No scientist can show anywhere in nature the exact conditions to make this happen. They can’t find any now, nor would they be able to. You’re assuming that it must have occurred via the processes they used in the lab, somewhere in nature, but since they will never find those conditions today (unlike your lighting example) then it will remain unproven.

How do you know? If the processes themselves are observed in nature then they are simulating the interaction.

And it still shows that intelligence is required to generate the conditions.

The fact that something is unknown or not yet known in no way leads to a conclusion of intelligence. It just means it is as yet unknown.

No offense, but that is one of the broadest non sequiturs I have read in quite some time.

29 posted on 01/11/2009 4:11:01 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your powder dry, folks)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Intelligent design.

Now, the next challenge: create, from nothing, all those ingredients used in the "soup".

30 posted on 01/11/2009 4:14:18 PM PST by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

"Life finds a way."

32 posted on 01/11/2009 4:15:39 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: wendy1946
"At that moment, when the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate between Evolutionists and Creationists should have come to a screeching halt"

Yes, it should have. God put the genetic code in place for the exact purpose of preventing Satan from causing evolution.

33 posted on 01/11/2009 4:19:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DevNet
"Why is trying to learn how the world works equated to trying to be like God?"

Do you ever post anything that isn't childish?

34 posted on 01/11/2009 4:24:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

Information codes do not just sort of happen. The whole thing is basically obvious at this point, just a question of what people WANT to believe. Evoloserism is about lifestyles, not about science.


35 posted on 01/11/2009 4:30:03 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: freedumb2003

FD, Its too bad that ‘non-sequitur’ was already taken as a screen handle, cuz it would have fit you to a T.

Every thing that you post has that “if you had read it before you hit post, you never would have sent it” flavor.


36 posted on 01/11/2009 4:30:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Every thing that you post has that “if you had read it before you hit post, you never would have sent it” flavor.

My logic comes to proper conclusions. The fact you don't agree with them is pretty irrelevant.

Lets see if you can do this without insulting. So far, you are 0/1.

37 posted on 01/11/2009 4:34:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your powder dry, folks)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

38 posted on 01/11/2009 4:44:42 PM PST by Daffynition ("Beauty is in the sty of the beholder." ~ Joe 6-pack)
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To: wendy1946
Evoloserism is about lifestyles, not about science.

The theory of evolution is about science because it follows the scientific method.

Creationists and their critiques of evolution have yet to produce any scientific evidence to counter the theory. All they have is religious apologetics.

And Ted, your nasty little slur does not even come close to being evidence. I presume you posted it because that's all you've got.

39 posted on 01/11/2009 5:34:21 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: DevNet

Do you mean now, or a week from now, after they tear it down to make room for an intergalactic bypass?


40 posted on 01/11/2009 5:50:50 PM PST by Erasmus (Yes, English is my first language. I'm hoping to do better on my second.)
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