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God - Philosophers weigh in
Boston Review ^ | January/February 2009 | Alex Byrne

Posted on 12/27/2008 9:42:39 AM PST by CE2949BB

God has had a lot of bad press recently. The four horsemen of atheism, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens, have all published books sharply critical of belief in God: respectively, The God Delusion, Breaking the Spell, The End of Faith, and God Is Not Great. Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens pile on the greatest amount of scorn, while Dennett takes the role of good cop. But despite differences of tone and detail, they all agree that belief in God is a kind of superstition. As Harris puts it, religion “is the denial—at once full of hope and full of fear—of the vastitude of human ignorance.”

The question of God’s existence is one of those few matters of general interest on which philosophers might pretend to expertise—Dennett is a professional philosopher, and Harris has a B.A. in the subject. Still, of the four, it is Dawkins who wades the furthest into philosophy. So what can philosophy contribute? In particular, have philosophers come to a verdict on the traditional arguments for God’s existence?

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonreview.net ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: dawkins; dennett; faith; god; harris; hitchens; philosophy; religion

1 posted on 12/27/2008 9:42:41 AM PST by CE2949BB
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To: CE2949BB

Sounds like Dawkins et al like to talk to themselves.


2 posted on 12/27/2008 9:44:59 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: CE2949BB
As Harris puts it, religion “is the denial—at once full of hope and full of fear—of the vastitude of human ignorance.”

Then I guess I'll have a lot more time to discuss God's existence from Heaven than he will.

3 posted on 12/27/2008 9:46:45 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: CE2949BB

religion “is the denial—at once full of hope and full of fear—of the vastitude of human ignorance.”

No, the belief that God exists is not religion.

People who deny the existence of God are full of fear because of it.

You fear death because you do not believe, and you hope in lieu of faith.

Harris is a moron.


4 posted on 12/27/2008 10:01:28 AM PST by jenk
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To: CE2949BB

Philosophers — God laughs.


5 posted on 12/27/2008 10:02:02 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: CE2949BB

Anthony Flew, perhaps the 20th century’s most articulate philosopher in the area of epistemology (knowledge) and, until recently, an outspoken atheist himself, said this of Dawkins:

“...Dawkins is not interested in the truth as such. He is primarily concerned to discredit an ideological opponent by any available means.” (First Things, December ‘08)

I think it is fair to say that Dennet, Harris and Hitchens fall into the same category. In the end, those who believe in some form of deity have a rational (warranted) basis upon which to build value systems. Atheists, on the other hand, must wind up in the realm of pure subjectivity. What they believe to be right and wrong, they believe to be right and wrong only upon the basis of their own opinion. Ideology, IMHO, is merely opinion about truth, not truth itself.


6 posted on 12/27/2008 10:04:10 AM PST by newheart (Obama. We kind of underestimated the creepiness.)
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To: CE2949BB

It’s pretty long. I’ll try to read it later.


7 posted on 12/27/2008 10:04:31 AM PST by samtheman
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Kant—total strangers used to come to his habitual restaurant to watch him eat he was so famous—said that we are logically free to believe in God if we wish. Free will, too. And eternal life.


8 posted on 12/27/2008 10:06:17 AM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: ckilmer
"Sounds like Dawkins et al like to talk to themselves.

I should think the burden of proof would be on these men. Isn't it interesting that there are so few of them, and so many believers? Thinking of this always makes me want to ask them what their proof is for their beliefs, if they are just taking that belief on faith, and to ask how they can prove the existence of their minds, since they can't see their minds nor can they touch, hear, or taste them (wavy lines on a 'scope screen don't prove anything except electrical activity, boys). I'm just sayin': I'd rather be in my position than theirs when I die. If I'm wrong, nothing will happen. If THEY are wrong, on the other hand...

9 posted on 12/27/2008 10:06:21 AM PST by redhead (If you want real PEACE, work for PROSPERITY.)
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To: BenLurkin
Indeed. I have never read a philosopher who had anything substantive to say about God. The whole subject just transcends their competencies-- whatever those may actually be.
10 posted on 12/27/2008 10:07:36 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: CE2949BB

Yet more proof that anyone who seeks to be a philosopher needs to go get a real job.


11 posted on 12/27/2008 10:14:01 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: samtheman
It’s pretty long. I’ll try to read it later.

Yep, it is.

It's about 5,000 words and 30,000 bytes. My two paragraph excerpt doesn't do it justice.

I would have posted the entire thing, but I'd rather not annoy the mods. ;)

12 posted on 12/27/2008 10:14:43 AM PST by CE2949BB (MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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All of mans' knowledge is foolishness to God.

-Proverbs (can't rembember chapter/verse).

13 posted on 12/27/2008 11:53:00 AM PST by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Then you haven't read Aquinas.

-A8

14 posted on 12/27/2008 12:30:48 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("I believe and profess all that the Holy Catholic Church ... proclaims to be revealed by God.")
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To: CE2949BB

Apparently, Dawkins handles the subject so badly that his fellow atheists have told him to shut up...he is hurting the cause.


15 posted on 12/27/2008 2:35:34 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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INTREP


16 posted on 12/27/2008 2:52:00 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: CE2949BB
four horsemen of atheism, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens, have all published books sharply critical of belief in God

Some are chosen as part of the elect, and heed the gospel call and some are not and don't.

17 posted on 12/27/2008 3:05:14 PM PST by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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If you believe, what does it matter who is annoyed?


18 posted on 12/27/2008 9:04:58 PM PST by jenk
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