We have four children (ages 29-40) and they are of various political persuasions. My liberal daughter usually respond "Daaaad. What are you doing this for?" I just say, truth and law.
Can’t respond much until tonight. In the words of a wannabe governor, “I’ll be back.”
The MSM poo-poos this entire birth certificate issue as specious, but the question posed above makes me wonder what he is hiding. It would be so easy for him to make all of this go away, why doesn't he do it?
“I just say, truth and law.”
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Precisely.
Perhaps the simple, but supremely important phrase “We are a nation of laws, not of men” might also be helpful to aid her understanding.
Yours is a very cogent summary. Thanks
There are various truths and myths to this entire Obama birth certificate episode. The $850k spent on fighting it...mostly myth...I have seen over twenty different amounts on various pages...and I have come to doubt any topic when money is mentioned.
I will offer this analysis....if and when the mess is finally cleared....I think he will have been born in Hawaii...which passes the rules, and this discussion will be finished. However, I do believe that the birthdate constantly given in August 1961...won’t be factual. I think thats what he has continually tried to keep hidden. My thinking is that his mother (Stanley Ann)....was pregnant before leaving Seattle and long before meeting this Kenyan guy. So if proven on the birth certificate....then a major portion of his book, his story, and his legend....will be bogus.
The fact that no neighbor or family friend in Hawaii knows anything about this birth or remembers anything...is puzzling.
That's the first I've heard of that. Would explain why he has sealed his college records.
Let me put that one to rest.
If he was an American citizen, no action that he or his parents took while he was a minor are capable of removing his citizenship. The Supreme Court has been very clear on that in several cases. Among others: Perkins v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
There may be legitimate issues to raise, but this isn't one of them.
THIS is the point people need to keep making. Every story or editorial on this story claims the State of Hawaii has confirmed he was born there, but as I and many others said the day of that statement, those words seemed very carefully chosen to avoid commenting on what the document said and instead ONLY focused on the fact it exists.
We no longer subscribe to Readers Digest. Used to be a really good magazine until the Libs got hold of it.
The Denofrio case before the Supreme Court has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama’s Birth Certificate, or whether he was born in Kenya.
It is based on the fact that he gave up his citizenship (if he ever really had one) when his Indonesian step-father adopted him in Indonesia and made Obama an Indonesian citizen, and that country does not honor dual citizenship. So he (or his parents) had to renounce his U.S. citizenship.
Many Americans, including a few FReepers, believe the reason for the sealed records is because they identify Obama as a Muslim.
Where does this number come from? Does anyone know?
This is what a Copy of a Certificate of Live Birth (some data redacted) from the State of Hawaii, Department of Health issued in July 1962 for the Birth of a male in February 1962 on the Island of Oahu. Note the State of Hawaii, Department of Health official embossed seal and official signatures of the then Director of Health and the Registrar General which are underlined in red. A document similar to this is what most of the lawsuits are asking to be released for public viewing.
I wonder if their is a technicality of because his father was a British citizen and it passed to Obama that he is also by law of the UK that after he is sworn in he is subject to laws from England.So theoretically because he is a British Citizen he must follow laws of the British Parliament.
That would be the ultimate irony!
You forgot the allegation that Obama traveled to Afghanistan on an Indonesian Passport — which at least tacitly acknowledged his Indonesian citizenship. This would possibly circumvent the Supreme Court decision that parents cannot take away US citizenship, because this was an action taken by him as an adult.
A few points:
The dollar amounts about lawyers hired to fight these cases is false. Obama, the Obama campaign, nor anyone working for Obama has ever spent One dollar or hired one lawyer to fight this case.
Why?
Leo’s case, like most of these are filled against state secretaries of state, state election boards, electors, the FEC etc. Each of those government bodies or officials sent a government official to court, paid for by NJ or Cali or Conn. Berg’s case is the only one filed against Obama directly. Obama never even responded to the case at any level. Don’t believe me, look at each court records, including the one on the SC docket. No paper was ever filed on Obama’s behalf in the Berg case, only Berg’s.
Why? The same reason Bush and Cheney never responded to any of Berg’s cases’ against them (he has sued them 4 times; twice to claim they were un-elected but selected by the SC in 2000 and thus ineligible, and twice to prove they were responsible for 9-11. Sick, I know, but Berg is a professional conspiracy lawyer.)
The only reason Leo’s case has gotten so far is because he has not included any of these internet rumors. H has worked HARD to keep them away from his case. Read his website and legal papers.
shields up, ready for flaming
Well done! I took the liberty of just sending it to a few on my e-mail list, as an update on our ‘president alleged’