Posted on 12/07/2008 8:03:41 AM PST by nufsed
I have been keeping my children and some friends up-to-date. I just sent this e-mail.
I would welcome corrections or point out omissions.
Is Obama a natural born citizen, as required by the constitution?
By not releasing his documents and refusing to reply to the court, Obama is leaving himself open for ongoing court cases and allegations.
He has spent $850,000 to date fighting cases in 17 states to avoid releasing the requested documents which would prove he is or is not a natural born citizen, as required by the constitution. It costs $12 for him to get a copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate.
There was another case filed with the Supremes Thursday and two more are coming on Monday. Also, the case in Cal was rejected by the state court and is being sent to the USSC, after the secretary of state said it was not her responsibility to ensure that candidates are qualified. She said each party was supposed to qualify their own nominee; a process which never occurred. I provided my e-mail from the secretary to Alan Keyes to use in his suit in California.
Each case calls for something a little different. Example: tell the Sec of state to check the birth certificate; tell Obama to produce the certificate, prohibit the electors from several states from voting for Obama because he is not qualified. Taken collectively there is a wide range of allegations and requests for action by the court.
Thursday, there was a video posted on youtube in which secretary of commerce to be, Bill Richardson, says clearly, in Spanish, that Obama is an immigrant. Even if you don’t speak Spanish the words are easy to translate since they are very similar to the English words.
Another web site has posted his selective service registration pointing all of the irregularities and concluding that it is fraudulent.
The certificate of life birth claimed by factcheck.com to be authentic has now been shown to be a forgery.
Another group is alleging that his application for the bar exam in Illinois contains false information.
In 1961, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign born people to file a certification of live birth in Hawaii. The officials in Hawaii have said they have the original document on file, but none of them has said he was born in Hawaii.
It is alleged that when he went to school in Indonesia that he became an Indonesian citizen as required by their law and that in order to do that he would have to give up his American citizenship. In order to come back he would be naturalized and not natural born.
Lastly, it is alleged that he registered for college as a foreign student.
If he was born in Kenya, is not natural born, or filed for college admissions and aid as a foreign citizen, he has defrauded the country and committed a crime against the constitution. His whole live will unravel and we will have a national crisis, even though there is a constitutional succession provided for. There may be riots. And the media will wail and gnash their teeth, since most of them are refusing to cover the allegations and court cases. On the other hand, we would have established ourselves as a country under the rule of law instead of personal privilege, power, money, and fraud.
If the court does not act, there will be an appeal to congress to initiate an investigation leading to impeachment. However, the democrats control both houses, so it is expected they will not impeach him no matter what evidence of ineligibility and fraud exists. So much for the constitution!
Groups are raising money to challenge the bills he signs as not having the authority of law, should the USSC fail to compel him to release his documents.
Even if the Supremes do not require the president-elect to reveal these documents and the congress does not act, these issues will not go away. Whether he serves 4 or 8 years protected from court cases as president, they will file fraud charges against him, in various states, when he leaves office.
What kind of person would spend nearly a million dollars to hide a $12 document? Who would waste the time of so many attorneys, judges, and citizens who are merely asking that he prove he meets the constitutional requirements to serve as president? Why would a person who wants to be president reject a simple constitutional challenge to his qualifications?
Even many democrat voters are now asking “Why doesn’t he just release his records and prove what loons these people are?” Innocent people do not act this way. All of this would go away if he would simply release the requested documents, as McCain did within two days after being asked about being born in Panama, and other candidates, except Clinton (medical records) and Kerry (military records), have done in the past.
You forgot the allegation that Obama traveled to Afghanistan on an Indonesian Passport — which at least tacitly acknowledged his Indonesian citizenship. This would possibly circumvent the Supreme Court decision that parents cannot take away US citizenship, because this was an action taken by him as an adult.
Good to know as I remember it as being fairly conservative and was going to renew after a few years off.
““We are a nation of laws, not of men””
We used to be.
“The fact that no neighbor or family friend in Hawaii knows anything about this birth or remembers anything...is puzzling”
That’s because Barry was born in Mombasa, Kenya. His family there remebers it well.
It’s amazing how people resist accepting the obvious.
Bingo! The mysterious empty suit from parts unknown wants to know all of all but refuses to show us who he is. A “Usurper” for sure and I pray he is exposed as such for the sake of our Country.
National Geographic has always been elitist, eugenicist, and leftist. One of the leftist skeletons in their closet is a 1938 issue that was scandalously pro-National Socialist.
It would be impossible. A child born on American soil is a US citizen regardless of the status of his parents. This is a waste of time and money.
I am about the same age as Obama, my parents are dead. I am the oldest. I have no living Aunts or Uncles. Except for a birth certificate which many on this forum can not accept apparently, I could furnish no proof. Give me a break. You all need to accept the fact that Obama won and move on.
A child can not renounce his citizenship nor can his parents renounce his citizenship. Do any of you understand the law in this matter?
It’s amazing how people resist accepting the obvious.
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Ain’t it though! My stepdaughter still steadfastly refuses to believe that O.J. killed anybody. I consider this willful blindness as it is obvious that either he was the killer or there had to be the most massive police conspiracy to frame him that ever has existed anywhere. I could sooner believe that aliens from the planet Shukalaka came to Earth and committed the murders than I could believe the frameup story.
If anyone was EVER proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt O.J. was but the jury let him off anyway. I don’t know how those jurors have slept a night since then.
I believe he was using the term “Readers Digest Version” as a way of identifying what he has compiled, since they usually did a condensed version of almost everything they printed. This is not something in Readers Digest in other words.
Well, I do.
Apparently few of the other posters do.
They keep discussing his possible Indonesian citizenship as if it is relevant. It’s not. Neither is his possible British and/or Kenyan dual citizenship that terminated on his 21st birthday.
BTW, Winston Churchill gave a speech to Congress in which he referenced his American mother. He pointed out that if he’d chosen to move to America shortly after his majority, he might have made it to Congress or the White House on his own, not as a guest. By the law, he was quite possibly right. And he was born in UK.
A few points:
The dollar amounts about lawyers hired to fight these cases is false. Obama, the Obama campaign, nor anyone working for Obama has ever spent One dollar or hired one lawyer to fight this case.
Why?
Leo’s case, like most of these are filled against state secretaries of state, state election boards, electors, the FEC etc. Each of those government bodies or officials sent a government official to court, paid for by NJ or Cali or Conn. Berg’s case is the only one filed against Obama directly. Obama never even responded to the case at any level. Don’t believe me, look at each court records, including the one on the SC docket. No paper was ever filed on Obama’s behalf in the Berg case, only Berg’s.
Why? The same reason Bush and Cheney never responded to any of Berg’s cases’ against them (he has sued them 4 times; twice to claim they were un-elected but selected by the SC in 2000 and thus ineligible, and twice to prove they were responsible for 9-11. Sick, I know, but Berg is a professional conspiracy lawyer.)
The only reason Leo’s case has gotten so far is because he has not included any of these internet rumors. H has worked HARD to keep them away from his case. Read his website and legal papers.
shields up, ready for flaming
Obama has already said that there is something about his birth certificate that is embarrassing. He is thus a target for blackmail. Do you think its a good idea to have someone in the White House who is being blackmailed? I don’t.
I don’t know what you mean? I have not heard this. Anyway, what difference does it make? He won; He will be sworn in on January 20th. It’s over.
Your post, citing supporting USSC case law, that there is no way under US law to revoke US citizenship of a minor, is the first I've seen to make that point. I gather it can be revoked after reaching one's majority, which I presume has been 18 since the passage of 26th amendment on 7/7/1971 when Obama wasn't quite 10 years old. The logical next question, for those who don't already know, is how does an US adult revoke their citizenship. I think Obama graduated HS spring of 1979 at age still 17 and turned 18 that August, I presume just before starting college at Occidental. If he registered there then, or at Columbia two years later, as a foreign student as some have speculated, would that suffice to revoke his citizenship or would something more have been needed? If yes then the blocked school records are important; if no then they are irrelevant, at least to this issue.
US citizenship can be renounced after the age of 14 (with strict regulations) revocably after the age of 18. Or after the age of 18 it can be renounced irrevocably.
It must be done in a sworn, notarized ceremony before a US consular official in another country. Can’t do it here.
It doesn’t happen accidentally. The process is a lot like the “informed consent” procedure for surgery. You don’t get the surgery (or the renunciation) without going thru the whole process. You can’t claim you didn’t know what you were doing.
Obama could have registered as a foreign student. Would have been odd for a guy who lived from 10 to 17 or 18 in HI, but I suppose he could have done it. This might constitute fraud against the school’s admission policy, but it would have zero effect on his citizenship status.
Doesn’t really matter to me. I subscribed to Reader’s Digest for over 30 years. Then they started leaning left and I stopped subscribing.
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