Posted on 12/07/2008 8:03:41 AM PST by nufsed
I have been keeping my children and some friends up-to-date. I just sent this e-mail.
I would welcome corrections or point out omissions.
Is Obama a natural born citizen, as required by the constitution?
By not releasing his documents and refusing to reply to the court, Obama is leaving himself open for ongoing court cases and allegations.
He has spent $850,000 to date fighting cases in 17 states to avoid releasing the requested documents which would prove he is or is not a natural born citizen, as required by the constitution. It costs $12 for him to get a copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate.
There was another case filed with the Supremes Thursday and two more are coming on Monday. Also, the case in Cal was rejected by the state court and is being sent to the USSC, after the secretary of state said it was not her responsibility to ensure that candidates are qualified. She said each party was supposed to qualify their own nominee; a process which never occurred. I provided my e-mail from the secretary to Alan Keyes to use in his suit in California.
Each case calls for something a little different. Example: tell the Sec of state to check the birth certificate; tell Obama to produce the certificate, prohibit the electors from several states from voting for Obama because he is not qualified. Taken collectively there is a wide range of allegations and requests for action by the court.
Thursday, there was a video posted on youtube in which secretary of commerce to be, Bill Richardson, says clearly, in Spanish, that Obama is an immigrant. Even if you don’t speak Spanish the words are easy to translate since they are very similar to the English words.
Another web site has posted his selective service registration pointing all of the irregularities and concluding that it is fraudulent.
The certificate of life birth claimed by factcheck.com to be authentic has now been shown to be a forgery.
Another group is alleging that his application for the bar exam in Illinois contains false information.
In 1961, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign born people to file a certification of live birth in Hawaii. The officials in Hawaii have said they have the original document on file, but none of them has said he was born in Hawaii.
It is alleged that when he went to school in Indonesia that he became an Indonesian citizen as required by their law and that in order to do that he would have to give up his American citizenship. In order to come back he would be naturalized and not natural born.
Lastly, it is alleged that he registered for college as a foreign student.
If he was born in Kenya, is not natural born, or filed for college admissions and aid as a foreign citizen, he has defrauded the country and committed a crime against the constitution. His whole live will unravel and we will have a national crisis, even though there is a constitutional succession provided for. There may be riots. And the media will wail and gnash their teeth, since most of them are refusing to cover the allegations and court cases. On the other hand, we would have established ourselves as a country under the rule of law instead of personal privilege, power, money, and fraud.
If the court does not act, there will be an appeal to congress to initiate an investigation leading to impeachment. However, the democrats control both houses, so it is expected they will not impeach him no matter what evidence of ineligibility and fraud exists. So much for the constitution!
Groups are raising money to challenge the bills he signs as not having the authority of law, should the USSC fail to compel him to release his documents.
Even if the Supremes do not require the president-elect to reveal these documents and the congress does not act, these issues will not go away. Whether he serves 4 or 8 years protected from court cases as president, they will file fraud charges against him, in various states, when he leaves office.
What kind of person would spend nearly a million dollars to hide a $12 document? Who would waste the time of so many attorneys, judges, and citizens who are merely asking that he prove he meets the constitutional requirements to serve as president? Why would a person who wants to be president reject a simple constitutional challenge to his qualifications?
Even many democrat voters are now asking “Why doesn’t he just release his records and prove what loons these people are?” Innocent people do not act this way. All of this would go away if he would simply release the requested documents, as McCain did within two days after being asked about being born in Panama, and other candidates, except Clinton (medical records) and Kerry (military records), have done in the past.
You are confusing behavior that may be disreputable or dishonest with behavior that has a direct legal effect.
The laws and Supreme Court decisions have made it very clear that renunciation of American citizenship only occurs as a result of formal action undertaken by an adult citizen who is fully informed of the consequences of his actions. It does not occur because someone files papers claiming foreign citizenship.
You may think (and I may think) that doing so is despicable and shows the person to be unworthy of being our president. But it doesn't change his legal status as a citizen and therefore his eligibility under the constitution to be president.
Perhaps an analogy might help. If I lie to my employer or wife, perhaps to cover up my immoral behavior, that is despicable. Those who find out about it might decide they don't want anything more to do with me. But the law generally isn't involved.
Now if I tell the exact same lies, for the exact same reason, in a court of law while under oath, it's a felony and I'm liable to prosecution for perjury. Perjury, unlike lying in general, changes my legal status.
If Obama falsely claimed foreign citizenship, which BTW nobody has proven to be true, it may illustrate his unfitness to be president, but it doesn't change his eilgibility under the Constitution for the office.
Thanks for the update, LucyT
Ping.
Satin Doll posted this on another thread. It’s worth repeating here.
There are 19 lawsuits concerning Senator Obama’s eligibility to the be U.S. President. Six have made it to SCOTUS:
Phillip J. Berg PA
Leo C. Donofrio NJ - stay denied, writ still pending(?)
Chris Strunk NY
Cort Wrotnowski CT
Darrel Hunter TX
Lightfoot CA
This issue isn’t going to die anytime soon.
Donofrio has an explanation at his website stating that New Jersey state court-related issues involving his case perhaps made the Supremes decide the way they did; so he is going back to NJ courts. What the Supreme Court may be looking for is that “perfect” landmark case. Good Lord knows! They have a lot of cases to pick and choose from on this issue.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Yep. If they could not first call us "loons" (and me, personally, far worse), their arguments would fall on deaf ears.
Speaking of "deaf ears," somebody Tell World Net Daily to quit screwing up a good story that needs no updates, such as adding the mindless musings of yahoos who couldn't find their head with a flashlight and two hands.
I agree - 0bama is certainly wasting a huge amount of money (and who is financing this, the DNC?) and time on this - when all he needs to do is show his original BC, just like McCain did.
If, in fact, Defendant Obama was born in Kenya, under the laws of the United States, in effect at the time of his birth, if a child was born abroad, and one parent was a U.S. citizen (which here, of course, would be Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham), Obama’s mother would have had to have lived ten (10) years in the U.S., five (5) of which were after she reached the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18), and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship. The laws in effect at the time of Obama’s birth did not recognize U.S. Citizenship at birth of children born abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen parent was under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the child. Obama’s mother did not qualify under the law on the books to register Obama as a “natural born” citizen. Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b), Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I.A.) approved (Att’y Gen. 1944).
Found this over here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145328/posts?page=78#78
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December 6, 2008 6:36 PM
[I have collaborated on this with my sister and historian Greg Dehler, author of “Chester Allan Arthur”, Published by Nova Science Publishers, Incorporated, 2006 ISBN 1600210791, 9781600210792 192 pages. ]
I’ve been forwarded the actual naturalization record for William Arthur on microfiche, obtained from the Library of Congress. He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843.
Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.
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Great run-down, thanks for posting!
Than you. Hard to keep up with all the goings on. Maybe an update soon.
Worth repeating, so I’m posting your comment on this thread.
Motion for Subpoenes for Obama BC issued in WA... heard...full court BO announces vacation in HI
Friday, December 19, 2008 10:17:55 PM · 14 of 28
RegulatorCountry to Red Steel
For those who haven’t been following the matter closely, this is arguably the strongest case of all, due to Washington State statute that clearly gives standing to the plaintiffs to sue over ineligibility. The statute arose from that disputed Gregoire election. The suit is further strengthened by the fact that Calero was expressly denied access to the ballot due to ineligibility, for the 2008 Presidential election. Thus, it is not possible for the Washington Secretary of State, Reed, to make any claim that eligibility was determined by party certification.
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1518
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At the Supreme Court (see “Supreme Court Info” on the sidebar): Latest update: 12/18/08
Pennsylvania (Phil Berg): (12/18/08)
Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
Berg v. Obama
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California (Dr. Orly Taitz for Gail Lightfoot): (12/17/08)
DENIED by Justice Kennedy; being resubmitted to Chief Justice Roberts
Lightfoot v. Bowen
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New York (Christopher Strunk): (12/04/08) SCOTUS Docket number may be produced soon
Chris Strunk NY Cases
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Texas (Darrel Hunter): (12/01/08) SCOTUS Docket number unknown
Hunter v. Obama
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Questionable at the Supreme Court: (12/15/08)
Connecticut (Cort Wrotnowski): (12/15/08)
DENIED application for stay and/or injuction
Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz
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New Jersey (Leo Donofrio): (12/08/08)
DENIED application of stay
Donofrio v. Wells
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At the State level: Latest update: 12/20/08
California:
Alan Keyes: Keyes v. Bowen (12/07/08)
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Joan Corbett: Corbett v. Bowen (11/16/08)
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Florida:
Connerat v. Browning (12/20/08)
Hawaii:
Andy Martin: Martin v. Lingle (11/26/08)
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Kentucky:
Daniel John Essek: Essek v. Obama (12/01/08)
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Mississippi:
Docket added
Daniel Scott Thomas: Thomas v. Hosemann (12/18/08)
Pennsylvania:
Docket link included
James Schneller: Schneller v. Cortes (12/17/08)
Texas:
Jody Brockhausen: Brockhausen v. Andrade (11/19/08)
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Washington State:
Response from SOS
James Broe: Broe v. Reed (12/19/08)
Unconfirmed Reports: (12/11/08)
The following presumably does not include all above action; verifying what is a “challenge” versus “legal actions.”
Phil Berg mentioned another Berg v. Obama case under seal at this time
Virginia: Challenge
Illinois: Challenge
Ohio: Challenge
California: Legal action
North Carolina: Legal action
District of Columbia: Commitment to file a legal action
Massachusetts: Challenge
Maryland: Commitment from numerous individuals to file a challenge
Virgin Islands: Commitment to file a challenge
Lawsuit with Military and ex-Military Plaintiffs
Per Dr. Orly Taitz’ recent commentary:
“In regards to military I can represent a group of military personal and ex-military, refusing to take orders from illegitimate commander in chief. We need to spread the word and have a large group of military.”
Defunct Cases:
North Carolina:
DENIED
Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan: Sullivan v. Marshall (12/10/08)
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Georgia:
DENIED
Rev. Tom Terry: Terry v. Handel (11/12/08)
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California: David Archbold history
Virginia: Wild Bill history
New York: Dan Smith history
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Ohio: David Neal history; Carol Greenberg history
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Connerat v. Browning: FL Election Result Challenge
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Worth repeating.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2152547/posts?page=55#55
To: Kevmo; LucyT
aRINOld is more popular with democrats now than he ever was, and more people are aware of this clause & how it would affect the current president elect. I would think that the numbers would be reversed, with 2/3 for it and 1/3 opposing it. That’s what happens when you become a nation of sheeple.
We have always been a country of immigrants. You would have found people 200 years ago that would be have been for removing the NBC clause. However, Constitutional Amendments ending the requirement of “Natural Born Citizen” have been introduced in Congress subcommittee 26 times since the 1870s, only to have died in subcommittee — EVERYTIME.
Excluding the Senate Resolution 511 introduced by Leahy in April 2008, the last true Amendment was attempted in 2000, introduced by non-other-than Barney Frank (H.J.Res. 88):
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju67306.000/hju67306_0f.htm
Requiring 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of all states, I think it’s rather amazing that any Constitutional amendments have ever been passed.
55 posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 12:38:13 PM by BP2 (I think, therefore I’m a conservative)
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FYI and the next time someone asks ‘what law firms?’ and/or for those who can’t figure out that lawyers are much more expensive than a ~$12 birth certificate:
Ballard Spahr Andrews and Ingersoll - big old philly law firm
Sandler Reiff and Young - DNC
Perkins Coie - Obama for America
123 posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:17:08 PM by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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Thanx
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