Posted on 12/07/2008 8:03:41 AM PST by nufsed
I have been keeping my children and some friends up-to-date. I just sent this e-mail.
I would welcome corrections or point out omissions.
Is Obama a natural born citizen, as required by the constitution?
By not releasing his documents and refusing to reply to the court, Obama is leaving himself open for ongoing court cases and allegations.
He has spent $850,000 to date fighting cases in 17 states to avoid releasing the requested documents which would prove he is or is not a natural born citizen, as required by the constitution. It costs $12 for him to get a copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate.
There was another case filed with the Supremes Thursday and two more are coming on Monday. Also, the case in Cal was rejected by the state court and is being sent to the USSC, after the secretary of state said it was not her responsibility to ensure that candidates are qualified. She said each party was supposed to qualify their own nominee; a process which never occurred. I provided my e-mail from the secretary to Alan Keyes to use in his suit in California.
Each case calls for something a little different. Example: tell the Sec of state to check the birth certificate; tell Obama to produce the certificate, prohibit the electors from several states from voting for Obama because he is not qualified. Taken collectively there is a wide range of allegations and requests for action by the court.
Thursday, there was a video posted on youtube in which secretary of commerce to be, Bill Richardson, says clearly, in Spanish, that Obama is an immigrant. Even if you don’t speak Spanish the words are easy to translate since they are very similar to the English words.
Another web site has posted his selective service registration pointing all of the irregularities and concluding that it is fraudulent.
The certificate of life birth claimed by factcheck.com to be authentic has now been shown to be a forgery.
Another group is alleging that his application for the bar exam in Illinois contains false information.
In 1961, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign born people to file a certification of live birth in Hawaii. The officials in Hawaii have said they have the original document on file, but none of them has said he was born in Hawaii.
It is alleged that when he went to school in Indonesia that he became an Indonesian citizen as required by their law and that in order to do that he would have to give up his American citizenship. In order to come back he would be naturalized and not natural born.
Lastly, it is alleged that he registered for college as a foreign student.
If he was born in Kenya, is not natural born, or filed for college admissions and aid as a foreign citizen, he has defrauded the country and committed a crime against the constitution. His whole live will unravel and we will have a national crisis, even though there is a constitutional succession provided for. There may be riots. And the media will wail and gnash their teeth, since most of them are refusing to cover the allegations and court cases. On the other hand, we would have established ourselves as a country under the rule of law instead of personal privilege, power, money, and fraud.
If the court does not act, there will be an appeal to congress to initiate an investigation leading to impeachment. However, the democrats control both houses, so it is expected they will not impeach him no matter what evidence of ineligibility and fraud exists. So much for the constitution!
Groups are raising money to challenge the bills he signs as not having the authority of law, should the USSC fail to compel him to release his documents.
Even if the Supremes do not require the president-elect to reveal these documents and the congress does not act, these issues will not go away. Whether he serves 4 or 8 years protected from court cases as president, they will file fraud charges against him, in various states, when he leaves office.
What kind of person would spend nearly a million dollars to hide a $12 document? Who would waste the time of so many attorneys, judges, and citizens who are merely asking that he prove he meets the constitutional requirements to serve as president? Why would a person who wants to be president reject a simple constitutional challenge to his qualifications?
Even many democrat voters are now asking “Why doesn’t he just release his records and prove what loons these people are?” Innocent people do not act this way. All of this would go away if he would simply release the requested documents, as McCain did within two days after being asked about being born in Panama, and other candidates, except Clinton (medical records) and Kerry (military records), have done in the past.
Got it. Thanks so much.
I don’t have one. But I do like to steer people to the thread I started on Intrade, which serves as a reasonable starter. One can see the reactions of liberals throughout the thread, so there’s an element of give&take sanity.
https://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/2279.page
In addition, I’ve been maintaining the keyword “certifiGate”, so it’s another place to start and it weeds out some of the stupid threads.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles
Mine looks exactly like it, except I was born in 68. Same info everything. Also the black color background with white typeface is same.
I sill say BO hasn't come up with a good “forged copy” because of the registration number in the top right corner.
First 2 numbers are birth year and the rest are sequential in number for each baby born at that time.
It will be hard to find a number that corresponds and aligns with the real babies born on that date, but can not of course use a number that was reserved for another COLB.
I believe that is why BO has not tried to put out a forged document.
If the number doesn't fit, you must quit.
To paraphrase from TROPIC THUNDER, "What do YOU mean, 'these people'?"
Democrats have always, and will always, call us "Loons" even after they learn that Obama was born in Kenya, 50 years from now.
It's not clear to me how anyone would know how much Obama's lawyers have charged for work on this specific issue, so I am assuming the $850,000, while perhaps plausible, is just a made-up rumor.
As for the $12 birth certificate, in fact the Hawaiian State Department of Health does not list how much they charge for providing a vault copy birth certificate, if they do at all.
IMHO it appears that Obama has already paid $12 to a get his birth "certification".
Calpernia and CHief Engineer both have compiled great “piles” of information.
Lucy T has kept a great ping list and I’m sure would help.
Be very careful of these terms. The image posted on the web and claimed by factcheck.com to be authentic is a certification of live birth.
As I understand it, Hawaii's Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated and printed "short form" whose fields are populated with select information from a database. The Certificate of Live Birth is the original document with complete information.
For the purposes of establishing a claim to U.S. citizenship, only the Certificate of Live Birth is valid. In Obama's case, neither document has ever been produced.
So the Constitution has still not been satisfied. Obama has never proven he is a U.S. citizen, let alone proven he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America.
Until Obama provides proof, he must be considered an illegal alien. The burden is on Obama.
Thanx
indeed
It was a self-deprecating reference to what THEY call us and the people filing the cases.
glad to do it
I know you’re busy. I was trying to get someione else interested. Thanx for the comment.
And thank you, dear nufsed, for remembering the Downside Legacy!
Ah! Good point. In other words, like a typical liberal, he burdened a dozen states with hundreds of thousands of their tax dollars in legal expenses to save himself $12 and fifteen minutes of effort.
Got it.
Oh, and welcome to FR - good post!
Then go post on a thread about Reader's Digest Magazine.
Also sent one to National Geographic when we cancelled our subscription after they published an article about our military stealing artifacts, which turned out to be a TOTAL lie.
Does writing letters or posting at magazine or MSM sites actually make a difference. They all do what they want and damn what we think. Hitting them in the pocket book is the only solution.
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