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1 posted on 10/24/2008 2:14:34 AM PDT by nobamanada
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To: nobamanada

Well, if I were a conservative, posting this on FR, a conservative web site, I might be more inclined to note the 21% conservatives for Obama. But, that just me. A conservative. For McCain-Palin.


2 posted on 10/24/2008 2:17:52 AM PDT by John W (Maverick I can do, but, Messiah is above my paygrade)
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To: nobamanada

I didn’t see your source url for the poll, so I have no comment.

However, I see on your graphic “IBD” and if that refers to Investors Business Daily, here are the contact information links in case you want to send them a comment:

http://www.investors.com/contact/
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/AboutUs.aspx


5 posted on 10/24/2008 2:22:10 AM PDT by Cindy
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“* Age 12-24 has much fluctuation due to small sample size”

They polled 1000 likely voters, which well could’ve meant only 50 18-24-year-olds who were registered and likely to vote.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 2:22:32 AM PDT by BobbyT
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To: nobamanada

A bunch of things don’t look quite right.

Parental status - parents/nonparents about the same?
Typically Republicans do better with parents.

Did they make about half their calls in the south?
McCain is doing 7% better in the south than his average,
the same as his average in the west, -3 in midwest, -10 in northeast.

But I like the primary number.


11 posted on 10/24/2008 2:30:17 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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What amuses me is how every thread about a poll here is crammed with comments that basically boil down to "polls are crap" and "this sample is a joke" and such, and yet every poll showing something like this one above is "proof" that Obama's toast.

Either polls are crap, or polls are to be believed--pick one. Of course this all depends on the sampling, but what exactly IS the "right" sample--50-50 dems and reps? Where is the evidence that this country is 50-50, or 55-45, or whatever? A "bad" sample to some is one that shows more dems than reps, but isn't that accurate, especially in certain states/counties?

What I'd like to know is which are the most accurate polls in terms of prediction, and what would be considered "proper" samples for a national poll?

Because most polls do not predict anything--they're how things are NOW--but we treat them as predictors of what will occur on election day, when the only valid predictor is actual voting. And in the early voting, McCain is getting slaughtered.

But to say these things means one is a DUmmie, I guess. I long for the "party of adults" that can discuss reality--bad AND good news--and I hoped we were in that party.

12 posted on 10/24/2008 2:31:11 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: nobamanada

Good Catch.

The pollster was unable to fill the quota cell for People 18-24 years old thus under representing that Demographic. And while they under represented the 18-24 cell they Over Represented some other age groups.

Bad Sampling, Bad Quota Management, Bad Data and Bad Results.


13 posted on 10/24/2008 2:31:27 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: nobamanada

I’m sure someone just switched the numbers when preparing that spreadsheet. A mistake in preparing the “pretty” report.


14 posted on 10/24/2008 2:31:36 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: nobamanada

OK Troll, sounds great, but the history of this poll is indisputably the most accurate poll in polling history.

But your short stay here at FR hinges on your starting date as well as what you reveal about yourself. Don’t make other long time troll sniffing Freepers get on to your case.

WE weed out moles here every day and it seems you may have brought on some unwanted attention.


16 posted on 10/24/2008 2:34:59 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Sara Palin; The Orca in a bay of Democrat Belugas!)
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I concur that number is out of whack, but I also thinkg the over 65 crowd giving McCain just a 46-40 lead is out of whack. I suspect McCain will win that ground by 10-15, and they are reliable voters, unlike the young crowd.


28 posted on 10/24/2008 2:53:52 AM PDT by Onerom99
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The IBD poll is total nonsense.

I think. You forgot to add the salient statement "I think" idicating that it is opinion and not fact.

34 posted on 10/24/2008 3:00:14 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action Candidate)
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1. Why couldn't you make your comment on the thread about this poll, why did you feel compelled to post a vanity? By your standards, instead of an article generating say 100 posts in reply, an article would generate 100 separate vanities. Maybe I should post this as a vanity.

2. The most important point. IBD put an asterisk next to the numbers of the 18-24 age group and at the bottom of the poll details, they stated:

*Age 18-24 has much fluctuation due to small sample size

Now, don't you just feel foolish for posting this vanity, trying to dismiss the entire poll?

39 posted on 10/24/2008 3:16:53 AM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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49 posted on 10/24/2008 3:44:54 AM PDT by Cindy
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Please, this garbage isn’t worth flaming. Have a beer. Watch some “Sex and the City” reruns. Hug a kitten. And get over it.


50 posted on 10/24/2008 3:47:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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I have seen other polls with similar internals. Also, there are several polls showing that that demo is not a strongly for Obama as the press would have you believe. I think there is more pressure in that group to behave in a certain manner but that may not lead them to actually vote that way or vote at all. When I was 24 and after some girl and she was for some cause like peace I was the biggest peacenik when she was around! Nothing new there. The worst was one of the hottest girls I ever dated was vegetarian man that was a tough year.


51 posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Never mess with an old man. he will just kill you.))
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To: nobamanada

This poll was the most accurate in the 2004 election!


56 posted on 10/24/2008 3:59:04 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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I don’t know how good the IBD poll is in general, however, it seems to be the only one (or one of the very few) out there that actually seems to weight party ID to something sane. To make their overall numbers fit their breakdown by party, the Democrats would have somewhere between a 2-3% edge in part ID, which is historically in the right ballpark, as opposed to other polls showing the Democrats with party ID advantages of 10-15%.

As for the 18-24 crowd, that subsample might just be an outlier, and they do note that the subsample is too small to be statistically significant.


58 posted on 10/24/2008 4:21:22 AM PDT by kevkrom (If Obama promises to tax your neighbor to give to you, what's he promising your neighbor?)
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To: nobamanada
18-24 demographic by 74%-22%.

To get a statistically significant result in the 18-25 demographic you'd need a poll that samples only this subgroup. Understand? All the the respondants would need to be aged 18-24.

Your observation does not invalidate the poll. But it should give the Zerobama team nightmares.
59 posted on 10/24/2008 4:24:03 AM PDT by o2bfree
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Palin did it!!!!


63 posted on 10/24/2008 4:39:17 AM PDT by syriacus (The MSM has questioned Obama for 2 years. It took a plumber to get Obama to admit he's a socialist.)
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Maybe you didn’t notice the footnote that there was a very small sample size for this demo?


65 posted on 10/24/2008 4:50:14 AM PDT by pgkdan ("White folks greed runs a world in need," Jeremiah Wright as quoted by Barack Obama)
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Might just be a misprint. That happens. See if its corrected in a later poll.


68 posted on 10/24/2008 5:04:29 AM PDT by NKStarr
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