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Antievolutionists asked to review draft standards in Texas
The National Center for Science Education ^ | October 16, 2008

Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton

Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.

Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."

Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scientism
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To: woollyone

“My church isn’t a government mandated attendance and brainwashing facility for leftist propaganda, like the skrewls are.”

Bingo.


61 posted on 10/17/2008 10:11:35 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
No but that has been the whole thrust of the Democrat and Media

Thanks for admitting you lied, even with the lame spin appended.

62 posted on 10/17/2008 10:11:47 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Soliton

“First, “anticreationists” is a partial misnomer.”

“anticreationsist” is my term, that I coined.
You do not have the liberty to define it for your own convenience and thereby attempt to steer the debate to your own terms.

That is a straw man argument.
Such an utterly predictable, shallow and boring technique.

please try again.


63 posted on 10/17/2008 10:12:30 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: Oztrich Boy

ditto reply to you as was posted in 63.

please try again.


64 posted on 10/17/2008 10:13:06 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: woollyone

Don’t beg


65 posted on 10/17/2008 10:20:37 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Queen Elizabeth II was the first British monarch to send an e-mail - from the MSM)
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To: tpanther
...everytime a Christrian dares speak their opinion on school grounds.

You are advocating teaching your particular religious myth in science classes, when it is clearly not science and in fact anti-science.

You don't want other religious myths taught, just yours.


It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.

Robert A. Heinlein, Postscript to Revolt in 2100 (1953)


66 posted on 10/17/2008 10:21:50 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

::grin::


67 posted on 10/17/2008 10:27:32 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: woollyone

I meant antievolutionist as mentioned in the article, sorry.


68 posted on 10/17/2008 10:41:28 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton

The SCOTUS also ruled that it is Ok to murder unborn children and OK to take your private property from you without specific need other than to provide the municipality to assess higher tax base.

Doesn’t make it right.

The SCOTUS is not the arbiter of truth, any more than government school is.

The committedd is stacked with 3 & 3 ...sounds pretty fair to me.


69 posted on 10/17/2008 10:52:24 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: Coyoteman

Man I don’t know how you do it, but keep up the fight. RAH consitently nails it doesn’t he?


70 posted on 10/17/2008 11:03:09 AM PDT by strider44
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To: woollyone

Conservatives obey the law and work to change it within the system. We don’t lie to advance a secret agenda.


71 posted on 10/17/2008 11:38:51 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
and that increasing (rather than decreasing) numbers of Americans reject/question evolution.

Increasing (rather than decreasing) numbers of Americans reject science. Makes me proud to be a conservative.

72 posted on 10/17/2008 11:46:41 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Well, I have a Masters in chemistry, with a synthetic organic emphasis, and work in the pharmaceutical industry doing actual research.

Excellent! How is Creationism falsifiable?

73 posted on 10/17/2008 11:50:05 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Soliton

...that’s odd...

What is the alleged “secret agenda” you hint about?
I didn’t get the memo.

And...speaking of “Conservatives obey[ing] the law and work[ing] to change it within the system”....

I always thought the revolutionary war was one of those things that was a work to change from outside of the established system. I guess they don’t ALWAYS obey the law now do “they”?


74 posted on 10/17/2008 11:57:37 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: MrB

Exactly, and what’s most humoroius is these loons actually think suing the citizenry to conform to their ideas of secular only science as defined by ONLY them and the NEA, is somehow “conservative”. THAT is the funniest thing about these threads, nevedr moind the endless INQUISITION squeal and if Americans teach their kids science they’ll somehow get burned at the stake!

These people don’t understand science, don’t understand religion and don’t understand conservatism.

Liberals.

As their boy Biden would say...”God love ‘em”!


75 posted on 10/17/2008 12:52:15 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Conservatism is based on the idea of inalienable rights endowed by our Creator.

No Creator, no inalienable rights, no conservatism.


76 posted on 10/17/2008 12:53:42 PM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No one would ever, COULD ever mistake you for a conservative.


77 posted on 10/17/2008 12:54:40 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
I believe science, not religion, should be taught in science class.

Did you end up graduating from that public school system that did such a poor job on your education?

78 posted on 10/17/2008 12:56:41 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Do you remember when blue was a feeling, gray was a word and one was a number...)
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To: Soliton; metmom

Conservatives obey the law and work to change it within the system. We don’t lie to advance a secret agenda.


Ummmmm.....it’s the NEA that has to sue average Americans to be silent every time someone dares to speak up about your hole-ridden darwinism cult.

If SCIENTISTS dare question their cult, they immediately squeal “Inquisition”, and warn of being “burned at the stake”.

If ANYONE average person needed confirmation of this, they need only read these very threads...you clowns are like fire ants swarming anytime your cult is threatened.

So you paste nonsense about religious cults or squeal “INQUISITION” every time, over and over. You display your ignorance of science as well as religion.

And again with this ridiculous assertion that suing opponents into silence is somehow conservative anytime your NEA godless liberal cult is exposed?

To entertain the very idea that this lunacy is somehow “conservative” or is honestly “working within the system” is just BIZARRE!


79 posted on 10/17/2008 1:02:53 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Coyoteman

You are advocating teaching your particular religious myth in science classes, when it is clearly not science and in fact anti-science.

You don’t want other religious myths taught, just yours.


I dont have too many issues teaching the theory of evolution, my beef is with YOUR CULT of evolution.

Projecting is just no way to go through life. It’s your side enforcing ONLY their views of science on everyone confucious.

You should seriously look into a cult deprogrammer.

For the science.


80 posted on 10/17/2008 1:07:33 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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