Posted on 09/26/2008 1:08:20 PM PDT by quesney
Folks, A profound schism in American society has been exposed and laid bare over the following years — since 9/11, through the events of Iraq to the monstrously socialist bailout of the present day.
John Edwards was right. There are Two Americas, and it is my fear that they fundamentally incompatible and irreconcilable.
We are headed for a conflict, decades in the making, approaching the intensity, scope and chaos of The Civil War.
I don't know what shape it will take or exactly when it will happen. I only know for certain it is coming and it will be messy. I only know for certain that I have little or nothing in common with "fellow Americans" such as Obama, Pelosi and a good chunk of the liberal "opposition", which I increasingly consider nothing more than a euphemism for people I consider aliens, at best.
The space for civilized debate is fast disappearing, when dealing with an "opposition" repeatedly ready to lie, cheat, distort, steal and compromise our national security, sovereignty and founding principles and repeatedly ready to abandon basic manners, civility, reality and logic, all of which are the fundamental basis for civilized debate. What do you call an "opposition" like that. Is it a threat that can be "deabted" with no longer?
I pray the coming conflict and confrontation is not violent, but it will be no less profound and no less significant than the first Civil War.
The very basic issue to be decided is just what is the United States of America, whether the Constitution no more than a piece of paper signifying nothing but pretense and old memories and whether there are still those prepared to fight for it.
Maybe principled leadership will arise that can prevent it. But I think things are rapidly developing beyond the capacity of any one figure -- however Reagenesque or Churchillian -- to stop what I fear is coming.
Oh no ... it just can't ever happen HERE!!! (Finnish Citizen 1913)
It can. Willful ignorance of even considering possibilities is idiocy.
Luckily, conservatives have the majority of the guns and money. Additionally, we are willing to die for what we believe in, but much prefer making the other side die for what they believe in.
I assume, of course, that you are excluding CA, NM, AZ, and most of TX from consideration. The invasion from Mexico has already settled the future for these states.
Point I was making, the powers that be won’t trust our own troops to do the job. It’ll look more like Red Dawn. Folks who are already our *enemies*.
I think something will start in one (or more)of the major cities. I think it will be accidental, but it will escalate and make people take sides.
Thanks to dogwhistles like some posting on this very thread, the masses just considered it "kooks at play", rolled over, and went back to watching Amerikan Idle.
If there is a civil war, it will be based on race, ethnicity, and class. Our immigration policies are creating a permanent underclass that will be populated by blacks and hispanics who will be in conflict with one another scuffling over low paying jobs and government handouts and they will be pitted against an upper class populated primarily by non-Hispanic whites and Asians. By 2042 half of this country will be minorities [as defined by the USG] and the other half non-Hispanic whites.
Hear Hear!
All together now, SHRUG!
The Joe Sixpack crowd bitches and moans, but he isn't gonna stand up and be the first asterisk (arse to risk). Those who do will be soundly denigrated and turned on by their Enemies within and without their Party. They'll be called "kook's", "radicals", "terrorists", and they'll be marginalized like Carl Dregga, or demonized being compared to Ted Kaczynski and Timoth McVeigh.
Look at what they did with John Brown and the Harper's Ferry raiders.
Remember a few years ago when all the illegal immigrants took of of work, and demonstrated. I think that scared a lot of people. I could see another demonstration like that happening, and then some sort of skirmish starting.
I just feel a lot more tension with people seeing the country we grew up in disappearing.
Yah know, I really want to read (or write) a novel about Aztlan separatists trying to break away the American Southwest, with Amreican civilians and NG fighting against them, and UN fighter-bombers and “Peacekeepers” fighting in support of them, while a paralyzed adminstration tries get its ducks in a row to destroy the invaders and fight the UN plots against our nation.
But invading the US would almost as crazy as invading the USSR (er... Russia) or China - too much room, too many people, too effective a military. The logistics of such an operation would really suck. Before the UN could something like that, the US would essentially have to be destroyed anyway.
Really? Which gun grabber have you shot lately? Which Dummycrat pushing more socialism fell to your knife in a darkened alley?
Yeah... I didn't think so.
We'd like to THINK we'd fight to the death over stuff like this. Those that actual DO end up labeled "kooks" or "terrorists". Mostly by those they'd considered nominally on their side of the ideological fence.
*checks window*
Nope, no fighting in the streets out there...
You add that with economic hard times, etc, and it’s a very volatile situation. Plus, more and more illegal immigrants are coming to this country.
It didn’t happen then, but it could happen.
It is my believe at this time, that the civil war, if it is to come, will be divided between rural and urban settings.
In rural areas it will be very low key, with a gardual inability for law enforcement to keep order against liberals who have turned fascist. These fascists will take the law into their own hands on certain issues which involve their rural communities. For conservatives who keep a low profile , it should be easy to maintain safety through small neighborhood watch organizations. The right to have firearms will be crucial to defending the homes of individuals and their neigbors.
Rural areas will aslo experience an influx of starngers as refugees from the cities, adding to potential rural violence.
In the city it will be a different matter. Riots will occur, and the national guard will be called out. This time though the difference will be that fascist liberals will begin shooting at national guardsmen, and law enforcement officials , as well as fire fighters. This may necessitate the retreat of the authorities outside of the cities in the USA, and a cordon around them.
Inside the cities, ethnic and minority scores will be settled, and gangs will become the law on each of their turfs. They will unify to fight the authorities, Conservatives in this situation will be in dire straights and will be hard pressed to defend their homes and their families. The key to doing so will be to organize neighborhood guards who are armed and ready to shoot if necessary. They will need their own dedicated power, food and water supplies, because the liberal fascist gangs will try to take them out.
The federal and state governments will try to pacify and reconquer each city, and then enforce martial law. This will be successful in some cases and unsucessful in others.
The rise of city states under fascist thugs will then happen in those cities where the authorities have been unable to exercise pacification or reconquest. These cities will then establish relations with enemies of the USA, and will be supplied by them, complicating matters. This will be especially true of our port cities, which could become beachheads for foreign invasion.
Thats all I have to say on the matter now.
This summary is a result of study. I am not promoting that such a thing occur. But as time goes on, the possibility of its occurance becomes increasingly apparent.
With a failed economy, and no jobs, the face of America may get very ugly in very short order.And when Obama loses the election, the gravity of the split between the " Two Americas" will become quite apparent.
Any genuine conservatives who live in conservative neighborhoods in the urban areas should be quietly organizing themselves now, to ride out such a thing, and/or have a bolt hole in the rural areas.
Bump, and ping.
Who would they be fighting? The new Congress?
Disagree.
Blacks won’t and don’t fight to work.
There are already as many as 30 million illegals in the country and many reside in sanctuary cities. And go figure, these sanctuary cities are highly populated with blacks.
Unemployment is rising but can anyone cite where blacks have come out against illegals?
That about sums it up.
If truth were a 50,000 ton ball of silver sitting in the middle of D.C., you couldn't find it with a metal detector.
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