Thanks for the ping, AAC.
Posted on 09/04/2008 1:22:37 PM PDT by pogo101
My wife, who works in a show-biz-related field, is surrounded on all sides there by many an angry lefty. Today she asked me to help her find --
"a couple very respectable/provable links regarding Canada's failing health care system".
Of course I tried, but most of what I found were position papers without point-for-point documentation.
I'd be grateful for any leads, especially to pages that document their critiques with links to source material -- and that are comprehensive, i.e., that point out a broad array of problems with Canada's approach, not just one or two.
Gracias!
(Posted in Chat instead of News.)
ping!
Ping.
Someone is seeking help regarding info on Canada’s nationalised health care system.
Suggest you go to Socialized Medicine Watch run by Dr. John Ray, Phd, in Australia and search the archives
Link here:
http://socglory.blogspot.com/
Ping.
YOu should try some Google searches, then need to look through the most promising links.
Here is an example that brought up a few relevant articles, with search term:”Canada healthcare disaster”:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canada+health+care+disaster&aq=f&oq=
You can try other variations, it takes a little work, but if you are willing to put in a bit of time, you should find plenty of articles.
And more:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canada+health+care+problems
San Francisco
More Lies From Moore
by Sally C. Pipes 7/9/07
In “Sicko,” Michael Moore uses a clip of my appearance earlier this year on “The O’Reilly Factor” to introduce a segment on the glories of Canadian health care.
Moore adores the Canadian system. I do not.
I am a new American, but I grew up and worked for many years in Canada.
And I know the health care system of my native country much more intimately than does Moore. There’s a good reason why my former countrymen with the money to do so either use the services of a booming industry of illegal private clinics, or come to America to take advantage of the health care that Moore denounces.
Government-run health care in Canada inevitably resolves into a dehumanizing system of triage, where the weak and the elderly are hastened to their fates by actuarial calculation. Having fought the Canadian health care bureaucracy on behalf of my ailing mother just two years ago - she was too old, and too sick, to merit the highest quality care in the government’s eyes - I can honestly say that Moore’s preferred health care system is something I wouldn’t wish on him.
In 1999, my uncle was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. If he’d lived in America, the miracle drug Rituxan might have saved him. But Rituxan wasn’t approved for use in Canada, and he lost his battle with cancer.
But don’t take my word for it: Even the Toronto Star agrees that Moore’s endorsement of Canadian health care is overwrought and factually challenged. And the Star is considered a left-wing newspaper, even by Canadian standards.
Just last month, the Star’s Peter Howell reported from the Cannes Film Festival that Mr. Moore became irate when Canadian reporters challenged his portrayal of their national health care system. “You Canadians! You used to be so funny!” exclaimed an exasperated Moore, “You gave us all our best comedians. When did you turn so dark?”
Moore further claimed that the infamously long waiting lists in Canada are merely a reflection of the fact that Canadians have a longer life expectancy than Americans, and that the sterling system is swamped by too many Canadians who live too long.
Canada’s media know better. In 2006, the average wait time from seeing a primary care doctor to getting treatment by a specialist was more than four months. Out of a population of 32 million, there are about 3.2 million Canadians trying to get a primary care doctor. Today, according to the OECD, Canada ranks 24th out of 28 major industrialized countries in doctors per thousand people.
Unfortunately, Moore is more concerned with promoting an anti-free-market agenda than getting his facts straight. “The problem,”
said Moore recently, “isn’t just [the insurance companies], or the Hospital Corporation and the Frist family - it’s the system! They can’t make a profit unless they deny care! Unless they deny claims! Our laws state very clearly that they have a legal fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits for the shareholders ... the only way they can turn the big profit is to not pay out the money, to not provide the care!”
Profit, according to the filmmaker-activist, has no place in health care
- period.
Moore ignores the fact that 85% of hospital beds in the U.S. are in nonprofit hospitals, and almost half of us with private plans get our insurance from nonprofit providers. Moreover, Kaiser Permanente, which Moore demonizes, is also a nonprofit.
What’s really amazing is that even the intended beneficiaries of Moore’s propagandizing don’t support his claims. The Supreme Court of Canada declared in June 2005 that the government health care monopoly in Quebec is a violation of basic human rights.
Moore put me, fleetingly, into “Sicko” as an example of an American who doesn’t understand the Canadian health care system. He couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve personally endured the creeping disaster of Canadian health care. Most unlike him, I’m willing to tell the truth about it. *CRO*
First appeared at /New York Daily News/
Pipes is the president and CEO of the Pacific Research Institute and author of “Miracle Cure: How to Solve America’s Health Care Crisis and Why Canada Isn’t the Answer.”
Here is a link that came up when I did the Google search:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socialized.html#canada
with lots of links within it and some statistics
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=270338135202343
Another very good article:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
This is strictly anecdotal, but a friend of mine married a Canadian lady a couple of years ago. They usually return to Nova Scotia for the summer. Of the few times that she had to avail herself of Canadian socialized medical services, she described the experiences as “awful.” The waits are interminable, so not surprisingly, she has all her little problems seen to here in south Florida. Her husband is a retired drama professor from NYC so naturally he’s a liberal (we have some spirited discussions), but he, too, is disgusted with the Canadian system. This lady’s son, BTW, is stationed back in Ontario, after having done a combat tour in Afghanistan. Thanks, eh.
Thanks for the ping, AAC.
Try this blog. It covers all kinds of Conservative topics in Ontario - with the regular postings about health care. I bet the folks in charge will point you in the right direction.
http://rightinniagara.blogspot.com/
I know my nephew worked for Proctor and Gamble in Canada and they brought their own doctors because of their socialized health care system. They didn’t want their employees waiting all day or for a week to be seen by a doctor or whenever.
Google “Access to a waiting list is not access to health care” for background on the Canadian Supreme Court opinion that recognizes it ain’t all that great....
The best source is a Canadian newspaper. At least once a week they print a story about how their health care system is a disaster.
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