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Someone is seeking help regarding info on Canada’s nationalised health care system.
Suggest you go to Socialized Medicine Watch run by Dr. John Ray, Phd, in Australia and search the archives
Link here:
http://socglory.blogspot.com/
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YOu should try some Google searches, then need to look through the most promising links.
Here is an example that brought up a few relevant articles, with search term:”Canada healthcare disaster”:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canada+health+care+disaster&aq=f&oq=
You can try other variations, it takes a little work, but if you are willing to put in a bit of time, you should find plenty of articles.
And more:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canada+health+care+problems
San Francisco
More Lies From Moore
by Sally C. Pipes 7/9/07
In “Sicko,” Michael Moore uses a clip of my appearance earlier this year on “The O’Reilly Factor” to introduce a segment on the glories of Canadian health care.
Moore adores the Canadian system. I do not.
I am a new American, but I grew up and worked for many years in Canada.
And I know the health care system of my native country much more intimately than does Moore. There’s a good reason why my former countrymen with the money to do so either use the services of a booming industry of illegal private clinics, or come to America to take advantage of the health care that Moore denounces.
Government-run health care in Canada inevitably resolves into a dehumanizing system of triage, where the weak and the elderly are hastened to their fates by actuarial calculation. Having fought the Canadian health care bureaucracy on behalf of my ailing mother just two years ago - she was too old, and too sick, to merit the highest quality care in the government’s eyes - I can honestly say that Moore’s preferred health care system is something I wouldn’t wish on him.
In 1999, my uncle was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. If he’d lived in America, the miracle drug Rituxan might have saved him. But Rituxan wasn’t approved for use in Canada, and he lost his battle with cancer.
But don’t take my word for it: Even the Toronto Star agrees that Moore’s endorsement of Canadian health care is overwrought and factually challenged. And the Star is considered a left-wing newspaper, even by Canadian standards.
Just last month, the Star’s Peter Howell reported from the Cannes Film Festival that Mr. Moore became irate when Canadian reporters challenged his portrayal of their national health care system. “You Canadians! You used to be so funny!” exclaimed an exasperated Moore, “You gave us all our best comedians. When did you turn so dark?”
Moore further claimed that the infamously long waiting lists in Canada are merely a reflection of the fact that Canadians have a longer life expectancy than Americans, and that the sterling system is swamped by too many Canadians who live too long.
Canada’s media know better. In 2006, the average wait time from seeing a primary care doctor to getting treatment by a specialist was more than four months. Out of a population of 32 million, there are about 3.2 million Canadians trying to get a primary care doctor. Today, according to the OECD, Canada ranks 24th out of 28 major industrialized countries in doctors per thousand people.
Unfortunately, Moore is more concerned with promoting an anti-free-market agenda than getting his facts straight. “The problem,”
said Moore recently, “isn’t just [the insurance companies], or the Hospital Corporation and the Frist family - it’s the system! They can’t make a profit unless they deny care! Unless they deny claims! Our laws state very clearly that they have a legal fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits for the shareholders ... the only way they can turn the big profit is to not pay out the money, to not provide the care!”
Profit, according to the filmmaker-activist, has no place in health care
- period.
Moore ignores the fact that 85% of hospital beds in the U.S. are in nonprofit hospitals, and almost half of us with private plans get our insurance from nonprofit providers. Moreover, Kaiser Permanente, which Moore demonizes, is also a nonprofit.
What’s really amazing is that even the intended beneficiaries of Moore’s propagandizing don’t support his claims. The Supreme Court of Canada declared in June 2005 that the government health care monopoly in Quebec is a violation of basic human rights.
Moore put me, fleetingly, into “Sicko” as an example of an American who doesn’t understand the Canadian health care system. He couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve personally endured the creeping disaster of Canadian health care. Most unlike him, I’m willing to tell the truth about it. *CRO*
First appeared at /New York Daily News/
Pipes is the president and CEO of the Pacific Research Institute and author of “Miracle Cure: How to Solve America’s Health Care Crisis and Why Canada Isn’t the Answer.”
Here is a link that came up when I did the Google search:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socialized.html#canada
with lots of links within it and some statistics
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=270338135202343
Another very good article:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
Try this blog. It covers all kinds of Conservative topics in Ontario - with the regular postings about health care. I bet the folks in charge will point you in the right direction.
http://rightinniagara.blogspot.com/
I know my nephew worked for Proctor and Gamble in Canada and they brought their own doctors because of their socialized health care system. They didn’t want their employees waiting all day or for a week to be seen by a doctor or whenever.
Google “Access to a waiting list is not access to health care” for background on the Canadian Supreme Court opinion that recognizes it ain’t all that great....
The best source is a Canadian newspaper. At least once a week they print a story about how their health care system is a disaster.
This is anecdotal, but telling nonetheless.
Belinda Stronach, the MP for Newmarket-Aurora and former cabinet minister, travelled outside Canada’s health-care system to California for some of her breast cancer treatments.
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/256600
I wonder why.
Its the same in all socialists countries. The party leaders (politburo members) go to capitalist countries for their treatments. Hell, even Islamic terrorists do. I met King Fahd’s (Saudia Arabia) heart surgeon by chance at DFW airport in 2004. He was a british guy. He went on and on about the Evil Bush and the beauty of Britain’s health care system. I asked him why he was in the USA, he said to do some surgery. I laughed, he had to come to the USA to make any money.
Its always the same. Its good enough for their subjects, but such great “leaders” and “minds” should have the best. It always comes down to who has the guns in the end of a socialist nightmare.
We have the best system in the world. Can everyone afford the best....? Of course not. But then again all Italians don’t drive Ferraris. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is. I think Universal Healthcare fits that bill....don’t you?
I try and use the analogy of the DMV with useful idiots who are taken with government programs. Thats how well government does things. Most people have to suffer through the DMV at least once in their lives. It is designed for inefficiency. Many average liberals can relate with that experience. But they will quickly revert to their emotionally induced ignorance and continue spouting their party line. Most liberals are well indoctrinated by the MSM and their “college experience”. They are good little robots.
Don’t waste your time trying to figure them out. It will only make you dizzy.
FreeDominion.com (Canada’s FR) likely has some news articles on various horror stories...
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Canadian survival rates are better than European, though that may be because 90% of Canada's population lives within a hundred miles of an American hospital. Nevertheless, in terms of survival rates the Canadian system is definitely inferior to the American.