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The Surface Of The Sun
The Surface of the Sun ^ | copyright 2008

Posted on 08/29/2008 12:19:10 PM PDT by valkyry1

The composition and mechanical inner workings of the sun beneath the visible photosphere have remained an enigma for thousands of years. There are a whole host of unexplained phenomena related to the sun's activities that still baffle gas model theorists to this day because they fail to recognize the existence of an iron alloy transitional layer that rests beneath the visible photosphere. Fortunately a host of new satellites and the

(Excerpt) Read more at thesurfaceofthesun.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; composition; helium; hydrogen; iron; ironsun; oliverkmanuel; olivermanuel; sun
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New research opens the probabilities that the SUN is not just a Hydrogen/Helium gas ball, but that the Sun is much more complicated and has an Iron Core.
1 posted on 08/29/2008 12:19:11 PM PDT by valkyry1
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Wow, that’s one hot mama! But enough about Sarah Palin. What were you saying about the Sun?


2 posted on 08/29/2008 12:20:53 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: valkyry1
Oh, no...this changes things...
3 posted on 08/29/2008 12:26:49 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Thats a reference article I put up

Sarah is hotter than the Sun, and Bambi/Biden will be like puppy dogs before her LOL

4 posted on 08/29/2008 12:27:38 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: JRios1968

Careful now, or I might find the viking kitty video out there somewhere ;)


5 posted on 08/29/2008 12:29:52 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: JRios1968

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxnAr6pRt0

Viking Kitties


6 posted on 08/29/2008 12:31:05 PM PDT by valkyry1
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I have never thought any different. Scientists claim that planets are formed by the passing of two stars and some material being pulled out of them and forming planets, so it should come as no surprise that the stars are made of the same elements the earth is.


7 posted on 08/29/2008 12:31:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: valkyry1
Could be other than the VK's!
8 posted on 08/29/2008 12:39:29 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: valkyry1
The surface temperature of the sun is several times that of the vaporization temperature of iron so a solid surface of iron is out.
And what's with the metallic chunks? The captions are misleading at best. Sounds like someone's blowing smoke or smoking blow.
9 posted on 08/29/2008 12:44:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Galileo was the founding father of the gas model theory of the sun.  He observed the sun through a relatively primitive telescope and noticed that sunspots did not rotate uniformly across the surface of the photosphere.  He also observed that this visible “surface” rotated at different speeds near the equator than it did near the poles. 
10 posted on 08/29/2008 12:48:27 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: count-your-change

I dont think you read the article yet.


11 posted on 08/29/2008 12:49:49 PM PDT by valkyry1
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"Sounds like someone's blowing smoke or smoking blow."

No worries, Senator Obama Pledges to send a manned probed to the Sun if he is elected President. He claims his mission will answer the question and he promises to mine the sun for hydrogen and get us off foreign oil.

When it was pointed out to Senator Obama that the sun is too hot to send such a mission he just smiled knowingly and explained "We will only go at night!"

12 posted on 08/29/2008 12:58:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: valkyry1
Yeah, I did read the article and saw the pictures of iron that are misleadingly labeled.
Someone named Michael Mozina has a web page to promote the ideas of Dr. Oliver Manuel. Manuel claims:

“We think that the solar system came from a single star, and the sun formed on a collapsed supernova core,” Manuel said in statement released recently by the University of Missouri in Rolla, where he teaches.

“The inner planets are made mostly of matter produced in the inner part of that star, and the outer planets of material form the outer layers of stars.”

Collapsed supernova core? Not quite Dr. Manuel. From imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/sn_overview.html - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

“After Core Collapse: A Neutron Star, Pulsar, or Black Hole?
A Neutron Star

For the collapsed core left behind, if the mass is less than two to three times that of the Sun, it will either collapse into a neutron star. About 10 miles in diameter, intensely and uniformly hot, and almost perfectly spherical, a neutron star consists of the dead star's stellar core collapsed so tightly together that a teaspoon of matter weighs more than a mountain on Earth. The name “neutron star” comes from the fact matter is compressed so tightly protons and electrons are squeezed together inside atomic nuclei to form neutrons.

A Pulsar

Rapidly spinning neutron stars (possessing powerful magnetic fields are called pulsars if their electromagnetic radiation is detectable from Earth in a regular pulse. The pulsation results from a favorable alignment of the Earth with the star's magnetic field, which is channeled into a tight cone or beam by the star's rapid rotation.....

The spin frequency of pulsars can reach fantastic speeds, spinning hundreds per second, which is to say faster than a kitchen blender. Such pulsars are called millisecond pulsars and they can reach such speeds because they pull matter off of a companion star. The in-falling matter strikes the pulsar and causes it to speed up....

A Black Hole

But what if the core is more massive than about 2.5 times that of the Sun? In that case, the gravitational collapse is so great that a “runaway” collapse occurs. The resulting “object” is certainly the most awesome known: the black hole.”

Collapsed supernova cores don't produce planets according to the scientists who are physicists and astronomers which it seems Dr. Manuel is not.

13 posted on 08/29/2008 1:38:26 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

That’s what comes from being out in the sun too long. Mad dogs and Englishmen...Quite..


14 posted on 08/29/2008 1:42:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Well there is a lot of new and contradictory research out there on the topic/s. The science is in a state of flux.

Your rebuttal’s are theories also.

I did not want to deluge the thread with multiple articles.

But thanks for reading the article and giving your insight/opinions.

Regards,


15 posted on 08/29/2008 1:46:46 PM PDT by valkyry1
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There are theories and there are theories and not all are of equal value. I could theorize that the moon is made of green cheese but so what? and the article has a theory/theories that is just as unlikely as the cheese.
This from the article I did read:

“In addition, there is now growing evidence from the field of heliosiesmology that the sun possesses a significant stratification layer at a very shallow depth from the top of the photosphere. This new data suggest that the stratified iron surface is covered by a relatively thin veneer of plasma layers.
It is also noteworthy that an electrically active, rigid surface model of the sun has always been a valid alternative to the current gas model theory.”

Does any of that new and contradictory research posit a solid surface for the sun as a valid alternative to anything?

16 posted on 08/29/2008 2:16:27 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Well I think it is something to explore rather than continuing to accept the gas model hypothesized by Galileo.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5023748/


17 posted on 08/29/2008 2:37:23 PM PDT by valkyry1
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Do you really consider it possible that slightly below the churning surface of the sun there is a “rigid” surface of iron? You don’t have to be a chemist or even a scientist to know the vaporization temperature of iron and it’s compounds and the temperature of the photosphere. Nothing complicated or theoretical, just simple straight forward measurements.

Something to explore? Let’s go with the “Verde Formage Lunar” Theory if common sense is to be tossed overboard.


18 posted on 08/29/2008 3:21:29 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Scientific maverick’s theory on Earth’s core up for a test
SF Chronicle | Monday, November 29, 2004 | Keay Davidson
Posted on 12/05/2004 11:17:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv
11 posted on 12/05/2004 6:04:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1294934/posts?page=11#11
18 posted on 12/06/2004 5:15:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1294934/posts?page=18#18
19 posted on 12/06/2004 5:18:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1294934/posts?page=19#19


19 posted on 08/29/2008 5:43:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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The Sun: A Great Ball of Iron?
Science Daily
Posted on 07/18/2002 2:33:32 AM EDT by per loin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/718067/posts


20 posted on 08/29/2008 5:44:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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