Posted on 08/25/2008 4:20:50 AM PDT by Soliton
In June, Governor Brad Henry vetoed the “Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act,” a piece of legislature authored by Sen. James Williamson and infamous fundamentalist Rep. Sally Kern.
If passed, this bill would have, among other things, guaranteed that “students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions.”
You read that correctly.
Answer on a test that the universe began 6,000 years ago with a few words from the mouth of an invisible, magical entity rather than 13.73 billion years ago with the expansion of energy from gravitational singularity? A-plus!
So it might have been if Gov. Henry hadn’t interceded. I’d like to tell Henry: Thank you from the bottom of my heart, and God bless you.
And to those of you who weren’t kicking up a fuss about the bill or at least complaining about it on your blogs: What were you thinking?
This isn’t the first time Kern and those like her have tried to insinuate superstitious nonsense into the curriculum of our state’s children, and it certainly won’t be the last.
Some of you may be too busy to follow each shot fired in the battle between the proponents of intelligent design the nom de guerre behind which creationism usually hides when its proponents seek to incorporate it into educational curricula — and its detractors.
(Excerpt) Read more at oudaily.com ...
Try doing google searches on ‘john gatto’ and read through a bit of what turns up.
Could you give me an example please?
***Here are 2 examples below. By now I’m familiar with your game of getting others to go fetch and then delivering crickets. I also see you asking the same questions on this thread, like why not let them go to private school, even though this has been covered with you. So I’m responding really for the benefit of lurkers, not because I consider you to be an honorable debater.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2054432/posts?page=341#341
www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2056400/posts
I think you’re being too hard on yourself.
What the hell are you talking about. God created flora on day three and created the sun on day four. A ten year old could figure out the rest.
If you're going to take on a certain perspective and argue a point from it, then do it with integrity, rather than post such foolish nonsense that you did here...
I imagine a private school could teach whatever it wants. As long as its preachings arent violent, and dont advocate disloyalty to the country.
The person I responded to claimed that the "days" weren't days at all. Many people believe that the "days" were a thousand years or more each. How does a plant live a thousand years before there is a sun?
I thought it was a very well thought out post. This thread has been relatively civil. No need to gay it up with comments like that.
Oh, and I’m still waiting on your opinion as to whether socialized health care is a good thing, and if not, how it differs from education.
I never got your opinion on socialized health care either. I’m interested in where you guys are coming from.
Unlike The Discovery Institute, I believe in the Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
"promote the general Welfare" comes right after "provide for the common defense" in its preamble.
I believe in truly free markets as our best answer for all things. However, a wise man once said, "The poor you will always have with you" (Matthew 26:11) He was quoting from Deuteronomy 15:11, "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
I believe that our founding fathers understood, just as Jesus did, that poverty is part of the human condition and that compassion helps the compassionate as much or more than it helps those on whom we show compassion. America is a compassionate nation; we are the first to provide food and medical aid to foreign nations in time of need. How then can we refuse medical aid to the poorest of our own? Yes I believe in safety nets in education and health care for those who would have to do without it otherwise. It is one of the reasons for which our federal government was originally created.
I totally disagree, but thanks for the written-out opinion nonetheless.
You're welcome. Do you want to point out where we disagree?
Question is, what the hell are you supposed to do when the safety-net version of it starts costing three times what the free market version does?? Moreover, in the case of schools, there is an even bigger problem. Government worker unions, particularly the NEA, are one of the two major pillars of financial support for the demokkkrat party at this juncture, the other being the trial lawyers group. The entire public schools system has started to resemble an indoctrination system for the demokkkrat party.
It happens with defense spending too. Americans in general are too involved with living to hold their government accountable.
You're right...my apologies
Thank you for being decent enough to apologize. : )
As for private schools...a lot of the chest thumpers who run them seem to require a vast premium from parents to be able to afford to send them...even the religious schools.
I don’t think public schools ought to be churches, but I think they ought to more reflective and supportive of the values of the communities that run them. So litle Johnny put a little ditty of the baby Jesus on his paper...did he write the paper well...following the proper rules of grammar and spelling? The schools simply ought to concentrate on the standards even if little Mark states his reservations regarding evolution...if he at least understands the thrust of the science, does he have to be penalized if he writes a protest view! I got high marks in biology though I argued with the teacher all the time...but he knew I understood both sides of the issues and my test scores were good...if bio teachers could be as flexible as mine was, I wouldn’t mind the evo crap being taught. But the issue doesn’t die because many bio teachers aren’t flexible and they are not supportive of traditional community values...thus you find that folks revolt against such teachers and what they are teaching.
Science teaches a rigorous methodology in the investigation of the universe...but it can’t fill the heart nor give answers in areas that logic can’t bridge!
well said
bump
Both of these groups hate American historical values, they love liberal judges and judcial activist courts, and both of these groups worship the Big Government public school monopoly above all.
No matter how destructive the Public School Monopoly becomes, the hardcore Evolutionists will still worship the Big Government Public School.
The hardcore evolutionists on FR who claim to be small government libertarians are the worst liars of all.
The FR hardcore evolutionists worship Big Government at its very worst (public school monopoly) but claim libertarianism as a convenient, dishonest excuse for the extreme moral liberalism they spew on this conservative forum.
They are liars of the worst kind, they repeat the liberal dogma of the far left at DU and the Daily Kos.
Like all liberals, they want the Big Government, centalized power to undermine parental authority while using Big Government Public Schools, (run by liberals) to indoctrinate other people's children.
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