[afzalrizvi]

Generally speaking, the self-proclaimed civilized world of the west charges the developing or the undeveloped Muslim world (scrolled by the label of an uncivlized community) as the world that is not fit to be called a positive world community.Given this point of reference, I have to candidly offer my arguments that the very touchstone by which we determine the standard of civilization should not merely be linked to the industrialized, globalized and the materialized means of life.It is an irony that the modern world commmunity is being defined by the afore-said three-dimensioal ways, that is absolutley not correct. A man who uses the computer may be difined as a modern man but he should/may not be defined as civilized, simply because to become a civilized man it is highly important that the conduct/deportment/ behavior/ thought of that man should be in accordance with the norms/moores set by the society. Therefore, a man living in the West or East can equally be civilzed by showing the required standard of civility.Factaully, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and developement.Yet to say that Muslims are more uncivilized than those pepole living in the west is a wrong hypothesis.What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.Sadly,quest for wars but no anxiety fo peace, remains the driving feature of the highminded policy makers in the west-paradoxically a criteria that suits to the most civilized world.

[aruanan]

What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.

Yeah, they don't chop off hands of child thieves or stone people for adultery or kill teenage girls for the crime of having been raped or have beard patrols.

[wideawake]

it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity

Like strapping on a bomb belt to blow children at a grade school?

Islam is a vile system of sin and evil and always will be.

[LIConFem]

Deep.

About knee-deep, in fact

[Tax-chick]

IBTZ!

It’s CATZ!

[DouglasKC]

It seems like you’re saying that as long as a person adheres to the code of the society that they live in they can be considered civilized. So if a society advocates murdering children those who are stand in opposition to this are less civilized.

[DouglasKC]

Oh, and IBTZ...

[cripplecreek]

I have no idea what you're talking about so here's an emotie of Mohamhead with a bomb on his noggin.

[OKSooner]

Not really worth it, but... IBTZ.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Factaully, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and developement.Yet to say that Muslims are more uncivilized than those pepole living in the west is a wrong hypothesis.

Muslims are not uncivilized because of education. They are uncivilized because they still adhere to 7th century teachings where women are treated as property, women are often murdered for the "crime" of dishonoring their family (each family gets to decide what that means), teaching children to hate Jews and western culture, telling people that you can murder your way into heaven, murdering tens of up thousands of innocent people while proclaiming "Allah Akbar" the whole time.

Should I go on? If you want people to believe that Muslims are civilized, THEN START ACTING CIVILIZED!

[WakeUpAndVote]

Factually, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and development.

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Correct there.

But, honestly. Did you sign up today just to post that? also, spell check helps.

[6SJ7]

TBTZ. Too boring to Zot.

[WakeUpAndVote]

[WakeUpAndVote]

[Kirkwood]

IBTZ!!

[Slings and Arrows]

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[WakeUpAndVote]

What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.

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Moral profile?

You have to be kidding, right?

[NeoCaveman]

IB4TZ

[newbolt]

The civilized world uses paragraphs.

[Mr. Silverback]

Target sighted over here.

[50sDad]

Rather, the fact that very few Muslims spoke out against 911's murder of innocent humans, that they allow slavery, that they allow so-called "honor killings", that some of them can willingly let explosives be strapped to their children, that they allow the killing of fellow human beings as long as they are "infidels", that they seem to have no problem with killing a woman for showing a bit of ankle, that their cultural believes lock them in a mindset a thousand years old, and that every single shortcoming of their own culture is magically explained away as being a plot by either the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE or by the West (who before 911 largely ignored them and didn't CARE what Muslims did) is good enough for me to call them uncivilized.

And in what way can you term Muslim countries "developing"? The first thing they did when they took over the abandoned Israeli land was to smash greenhouses that had been producing food, because they were once owned by the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE. A developing culture would have at least stopped to use the resources they had inherited, rather than being so consumed by hate that they destroyed everything that might be useful.

In America, we are only 230 years or so old. Our POOR eat well and have color TV's, for what that is worth. We EAT for ENTERTAINMENT, for heaven's sake! We walked on the moon twenty YEARS ago, have eradicated most disease, and feed the world, although the world rarely thanks us. We can do this because we don't waste our time killing each other over what God wants us to eat for breakfast. The Japanese killed my uncle in WWII, and today we buy electronics from them, and I don't really care. The English near enslaved my ancestors, the Irish, but I don't go out and kill them for "honor". We live in the here and now, embrace new science, and go on with our lives. My God does not care if I sing popular songs, and I will never be order by a holy man to let my child blow up infidels. That is civilized enough for me.

America has generally promoted the idea that if you don't come gunning for us, we will leave you alone. But when we have had to, we have changed the world. We have save everybody else from the Nazis, from the Communists, and probably down the timeline, we will have to save it from the mouth-frothing Imams and Mullahs who want my people enslaved, my culture dead, and any machine more complicated than an inclined plane eradicated. Despite the whailings of malcontents, America has stayed within 50 states, and although we have gone to war to save other and protect ourselves, we "own" no new territory outside of that. We could have easily taken over Kuwait, or Iraq as our personal oil well, but have not...and have done all we can, pouring billions into building schools and public works like clean water so that a bunch of Muslim murderers could blow them up, along with their own "brother Muslims", and as long as "infidels" were killed, those Muslims had no problem killing their own people.

So don't go lecturing me on "civilized" you barbarian-by -association. Stop listening to violent "holy men", stop killing your daughters for "honor", stop beating your wives for fun, stop proclaiming that you are so superior that slavery of MY people is fine, stop blowing up your neighbors, stop maintaining the pathetic 2-faced Arab attitude that it is OK to lie to me (as long as it is done For Allah), and then, MAYBE, I will respect the thing you call civilization. If you didn't have the oil, we could ignore you like we did in the past. But on 911 your paranoia and delusions of your own importance caused some of your kind to kill 3000 innocent people, some of whom got to choose between burning to death and death by impact a thousand feet down, and then the civilized world woke up to what you are really about. And then you have the gall to blame it on US, or the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE, or say "well, they weren't really Muslims." Sorry pal. Go peddle your paranoia back home where they will believe it.