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Vintage warplane dealer enjoys soaring prices
LA Times ^ | June 23, 2008 | Martin Zimmerman

Posted on 06/23/2008 1:23:43 PM PDT by jazusamo

Provenance Fighter Sales is benefiting from growing interest in WWII-era aircraft.

The World War II-era P-38 fighter made an emergency landing on a Greenland ice cap in July 1942 while on a flight from Maine to England. The aircraft eventually was buried under a layer of ice and snow more than 200 feet thick.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; warbirds; warplanes; wwii
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P-38 Glacier Girl
"Glacier Girl" P-38 Lightning

1 posted on 06/23/2008 1:23:43 PM PDT by jazusamo
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P-51 Mustang
P-51 Mustang

F-4U Corsair
F-4U Corsair

Spitfire
Spitfire

P-40 Warhawk
P-40 Warhawk

2 posted on 06/23/2008 1:25:18 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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The aircraft eventually was buried under a layer of ice and snow more than 200 feet thick.

Well thank God for global warming then! We'd all be buried alive if not for that!

3 posted on 06/23/2008 1:32:36 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: jazusamo

airplane porn...:D


4 posted on 06/23/2008 2:09:40 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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I’ve known Simon and Provenance for years (was wearing one of their hats over the weekend).

They do a beautiful job with the warbirds and every single one of them is a piece of art.

Capitalism ROCKS!


5 posted on 06/23/2008 2:11:04 PM PDT by dhot ( If the cops arrest a mime do they tell him he has the right to remain silent?)
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Glacier Girl visited the “Salute to Veterans” Memorial Day show in
Columbia, MO.
My brother said the thing looked like it just rolled off the assembly line.

Myself, I’d never would have had the courage to go down tht icy
mine shaft to help with the recovery...just too claustrophobic
and scary for me!


6 posted on 06/23/2008 2:16:35 PM PDT by VOA
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Thanks to you both...That Stearman and Glacier Girl look like they do terrific work. I saw some closeups of Glacier Girl sometime back and it was beautiful.

I hear you on the recovery of her, I couldn’t have done it either.


7 posted on 06/23/2008 2:22:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: subterfuge
Well I guess we'll have to hit him with a 'windfall profits' tax.

L

8 posted on 06/23/2008 2:23:50 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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As for rebuild/re-creation of WWII-era planes...the ME-262s now flying
are something else.
(Although I do have sentimental misgivings about it being one of
“the bad guys” products).

http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html


9 posted on 06/23/2008 2:29:06 PM PDT by VOA
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The article mentioned the Me-262. Is there actually a flying ME-262 somewhere? (And do they really used the old Jumo-004 engines?)


10 posted on 06/23/2008 2:41:32 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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Glacier Girl is my favorite bird. I even contributed a small amount to her restoration.


11 posted on 06/23/2008 2:43:23 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Official FR PITA)
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Good videos...Man, that has to be an expensive project they’ve got going but the planes look like they’ve done a great job.


12 posted on 06/23/2008 2:45:14 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Little Ray

Check the link in post #9, re: ME-262.

(I don’t know if the engines actually used are exact replicas
of the originals)


13 posted on 06/23/2008 2:58:27 PM PDT by VOA
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Thank the Lord we beat the Nazis before they could turn out a massive number of these jets. If Nazi Germany had had these planes in large numbers during the Battle of Brittan or the Battle over Nazi occupied Europe after the invasion the outcome could have been totally different.


14 posted on 06/23/2008 3:19:34 PM PDT by Jmouse007
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No. Using GE J-85/CJ-610. Very significantly lighter and about 1,000 more pounds of thrust per engine. Repro ME-262 is expected to have better performance than the original because of this. Here’s a link:

http://www.stormbirds.com/project/technical/technical_3.htm


15 posted on 06/23/2008 3:27:35 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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I’ve seen GG several times. She is as smooth as silk - not a rivet out of place. The Sea Fury they resently sold is also a beauty.

They buy these machines and then fix them up to perfection and then sell them at a profit. If they can do it - more power to them.


16 posted on 06/23/2008 3:35:46 PM PDT by dhot
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Did you see this ?

Would you like to ride in a Messerschmitt Me 262? YOU CAN!

The Collings Foundation is pleased to announce their new Me 262 flight program that allows individuals to experience the wonder of flying in the legendary Messerschmitt Me 262. They are now taking deposits for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take a flight in their Me 262. Please contact Rob Collings at rcollings@collingsfoundation.org for more information and to schedule your flight.


That would be AWESOME!
17 posted on 06/23/2008 3:41:13 PM PDT by dhot (Always do whatever's next. - George Carlin - RIP)
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To: Jmouse007

The end would have probably been the same (Allies just had too many resources and other logistical advantages) but getting there would have been much longer and much more painful. I, for one, am glad it worked out the way it did.

My father was a bomber crewman in the 8th Air Force. Based on his recounting of his missions, the Germans were quite bad enough in their Me-109s and FW-190s, thank you very much.

He did see Me-262s towards the end. As he explained it, the traverse motors in the turrets of his bomber (B-24J) were not fast enough to allow the gunners to actually “lead” the jet fighter when aiming. So their tactic was to just pick a clear spot in the sky that they thought the aircraft would fly through and fill it with .50 cal in the hope that it might fly into some of them.

What a revoltin’ situation!


18 posted on 06/23/2008 3:42:33 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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Very significantly lighter and about 1,000 more pounds of thrust per engine. Repro ME-262 is expected to have better performance than the original because of this

The new-build Me-262s (probably the best way to look at them, given the level of exactness that went into building them - only some engineering modifications were made, iirc one was to improve the nose gear, which had a nasty tendency to collapse) were even given werk numbers by Messerschmitt (more properly EADS) that picked up in sequence where the war-build -262s stopped.
19 posted on 06/23/2008 3:46:34 PM PDT by tanknetter
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Glacier Girl's 'Before' picture:

At what point of rebuilding does it cease to be a restoration, and becomes a replica?

20 posted on 06/23/2008 3:49:35 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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