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Satirical Monsters More Competition for Darwin
The Ledger ^ | December 11, 2007 | John Chambliss

Posted on 12/13/2007 12:45:57 PM PST by SubGeniusX

E-mails offer Polk school officials a view of the origin of life they say is just as valid as intelligent design.

LAKELAND | The Flying Spaghetti Monster has stretched its noodles to Polk County.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or FSM, is a satirical group that pokes fun at intelligent design. It first emerged in 2005 during the debate in Kansas over whether the belief should be taught in science classes.

The group has sent dozens of e-mails to Polk County School Board members demanding that the idea of a Flying Spaghetti Monster creating the world receive classroom equal time with other views. The e-mail campaign began after four of seven board members said in November that they supported teaching intelligent design in addition to evolution.

While the idea that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world lacks backing in the scientific community, the point, according to those promoting the satire, is that neither does intelligent design.

FSM dates to 2005 when Oregon State University physics graduate Bobby Henderson sent a letter to the Kansas School Board saying "there are multiple theories of intelligent design."

"I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster," Henderson wrote.

"It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him."

Polk board members' support of intelligent design came to light after they learned the proposed science standards for Florida schools listed evolution and biological diversity as one of the "big ideas" that students need to know for a well-grounded science education.

Evolution, the theory that organic life developed and diversified through small changes over millions of years, is opposed by some evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews who believe in a literal biblical interpretation of the Earth's creation. Intelligent design holds that living organisms are so complex that they must have been created by some kind of higher force.

E-mails to board members can be seen on the Flying Spaghetti Monster Web site at www.venganza.org.

Here's one of the e-mails:

"I agree that children should be exposed to all sides of a scientific debate, but it is my fear you may leave out a theory that is equally as valid as traditional Intelligent Design," said one.

"I am of course referring to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'm sure you all know that the theory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has much greater support in the scientific community than traditional Intelligent Design. You would therefore be doing a grave disservice to the students of Polk County, and science in general, if you were to leave this ever so important theory out of your curriculum."

Most School Board members declined comment, or did not return phone messages when asked about e-mails or telephone calls from supporters or detractors of the proposed science standards.

Board member Frank O'Reilly, who supports the new science standards, said he received about 50 e-mails from FSM supporters. "It's a lot," O'Reilly said. "Most of them are from the spaghetti monster."

In an e-mail, Henderson said he can't explain the idea for the FSM.

"I tell people it was combination of lack of sleep and divine intervention," Henderson said. "But the church has evolved into what it is today."

Henderson said he put out the open letter in 2005 to the Kansas School Board as a joke and it "snowballed from there."

Now, Henderson said there are more than a million Google results for Flying Spaghetti Monster.

"No telling where we will be in 10 years, 100 years, 1,000 years," Henderson wrote. "I heard Christianity started as a joke, too ... so who knows?"

Henderson said about 95 percent of the 60,000 e-mails he's received are positive.

He keeps his home address a secret and has had a "few death threats'' that he was concerned about.

"But the majority of Christians don't have a problem with our Church," Henderson wrote. "We try to be as tolerant of their beliefs as they are of ours."

Known as Pastafarians, Flying Spaghetti Monster supporters dress up as pirates. The Web site sells shirts, iPod covers and car stickers.

Currently on the Web site, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is wearing a Santa Claus hat.

Conservative voices outside of Florida also have chimed in on the science standards debate.

CitizenLink.com, an arm of the James Dobson-led group, Focus on the Family, urged its readers to take action to include intelligent design in the classroom by e-mailing the state.

So far, at least one state board member said she will vote against the new standards. Donna Callaway said she will vote against the proposed standards because evolution "should not be taught to the exclusion of other theories of origin of life," the St. Petersburg Times reported.

The state vote, which was planned for January, will likely be in February because two public meetings about the proposed standards were added in January.

The first meeting will be Jan. 3 from 5:30 to 7 p.m. at The Schultz Center for Teaching and Leadership in Jacksonville, 4019 Boulevard Center Drive.

A second meeting will be Jan. 8 in Miramar from 5:30 to 7 p.m. at Everglades High School. 17100 S.W. 48 Court.

The new standards have been praised by scientists. (To see the proposed standards go to www.flstandards.org.)

Lawrence S. Lerner, professor emeritus of physics and astronomy at California State University in Long Beach, who has examined science standards in the various states, has graded Florida's proposed standards as a B+.

Lerner, who gave the previous standards an F, said that the proposals have the potential to be among the best in the nation.

"It's an enormous improvement," Lerner said. "The (current) standards were poorly written and bad all along."

The inclusion of evolution into the standards was imperative, Lerner said.

"When you ignore evolution, it is like trying to teach physics without Newton's Law," Lerner said. "It (evolution) is dealt with quite well (in the new standards)."


TOPICS: Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: antichristian; asshats; battholes; evolution; fsm; id; jerks; jerques; liberalbigots; noodlyappendage; religiousintolerance
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To: ontap

The biggest issue for me is how evolution explains the increase in information...and how various systems within living organisms get wired together. It is far too simplistic - talk about leaps of faith!


41 posted on 12/13/2007 1:35:50 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well Non-Sequitur I believe you and I have been down this road before! I’m willing to do it again if you really want too.


42 posted on 12/13/2007 1:35:57 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Nathan Zachary

What about the Pirates?


43 posted on 12/13/2007 1:36:09 PM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
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To: ontap

“Strange thing that a rock can suddenly come to life...”

Not so strange. I saw it on Star Trek. The episode where Kirk and Spock and Lincoln and Serak battle against Jenghiz Khan and Col Green and Zora and Kalis.

Kirk touched the rock creature and got burned and the alien said something like “Do you find my body tempearature distressing, captain? You forget the nature of this planet.”


44 posted on 12/13/2007 1:36:51 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: LiteKeeper

Actually it is a leap of non-faith!


45 posted on 12/13/2007 1:37:39 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Shryke

Alfredo Sauce?

HERESY!

Now I’ll never vote for you for President!


46 posted on 12/13/2007 1:38:17 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Nathan Zachary
First, cough up some grant money

Ah, it's a money issue then? Let's make sure that's the issue here: you'll provide research and scientific evidence galore for what you believe in, as soon as you receive some research money...right?

47 posted on 12/13/2007 1:38:18 PM PST by Shryke
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To: swain_forkbeard

What chapter of Darwin’s book is that in? The Origin of Star Trek?


48 posted on 12/13/2007 1:40:47 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Constantine XIII

WTF? Southern Italian tomato sauce is so...ugh, PEDESTRIAN. I am an enlightened Pastafarian, you cheeky monkey.


49 posted on 12/13/2007 1:41:14 PM PST by Shryke
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To: SubGeniusX
I found these quotes on several sites with a quick google, but with some more work and time I could find them elsewhere, these fellows are hardly 'creationists I doubt and their credentials dwarf those of any anonymous evo freeper. Of course those mental giants called the fr evolutionist will all sneer at the quotes as ‘quote mining’ when it is plain to see what they are saying, and then replace with it links to their scientific propaganda site talk origins
50 posted on 12/13/2007 1:42:06 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: Nathan Zachary
Oh, so only sources written by evolutionists are to be valid, right?

If the intent is to describe what evolutionists believe, uh, yeah. I assume you would object if evolutionists defined what religion is for religionists.
51 posted on 12/13/2007 1:42:10 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: SubGeniusX
"What about the Pirates?"

That's a little more complex. It begins with a retarded uneducated Arab suffering from seizures being pummeled by Satan in a cave while he was busy praying to a rock, afterwards creating a religion where stealing, murdering, raping, buggery, incest, pedophilia is deemed righteous and good, future generations of this evil cult stealing a boat... etc etc.

52 posted on 12/13/2007 1:42:18 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Shryke

^_^


53 posted on 12/13/2007 1:44:52 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Shryke
"you'll provide research and scientific evidence galore for what you believe in, as soon as you receive some research money...right?"

Sounds about right. But the deal also must include that only I can post what ever information I choose in scientific journals which only I can control as well.

54 posted on 12/13/2007 1:45:52 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ontap
Your additional link is to another creationist source. They state:

Welcome to the Creation Science home page! Here you will find many resources related to the study of origins and science from a creationist perspective.

If you want to argue science you really should use scientific sources rather than religious ones.

55 posted on 12/13/2007 1:47:10 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

How can you criticize Pastafarianism if you don’t recognize one if its major tenets? ;)


56 posted on 12/13/2007 1:47:15 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: drjimmy
"I assume you would object if evolutionists defined what religion is for religionists."

Just as I would and do object to evolutionists defining what "science" is.

57 posted on 12/13/2007 1:48:00 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: valkyry1

Short answer: You can find wall of quotes about anything using Google. I could find that many claiming the moon is made of green cheese, or that Americans never walked on it, but that wouldn’t make it true.

Shorter answer: TL;DR


58 posted on 12/13/2007 1:49:18 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Nathan Zachary
Sounds about right. But the deal also must include that only I can post what ever information I choose in scientific journals which only I can control as well.

Fantastic! It's a deal. Now, I am going to hold you to this - as soon as the DI or any other ID organization publishes some research, you ping me. And no, I don't mean anything "disproving evolution". I mean anything proving a designer (other than the Flying Spaghetti Monster). Thanks.

59 posted on 12/13/2007 1:49:57 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Coyoteman
"If you want to argue science you really should use scientific sources rather than religious ones." Yea, the sources which only explain what evolutionists think, right?
60 posted on 12/13/2007 1:50:38 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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