Yes, please!
Mark
Ever look at a Saiga-12? Its a man’s semi-auto 12-gauge shotgun. Check them out at Tromix.com and click on Saiga shotguns.
I’m a trombone player myself. I favor the R-870, W-12, I-37 or even Benellis Nova.
Was it Beretta or Benelli [owned by Beretta] that got the contract for the new U.S military shotgun?
What it really sounds like is having your cake and eating it. In other words, the idea of the M16 was to obtian accuracy by eliminating the weight and motion of the gas piston and have gas push directly on the bolt carrier; that however turns cleaning into a grimy mess and limits the number of shots you could take prior to cleaning. This thing seems to achieve the main goal of the M16 without the side effects.
It looks nice and all..
But if this is the gun I’m thinking of, though, the reason it’s cheap is because the “automatic load adjusting” feature.... doesn’t.
The Saiga-12 feeds off a detachable magazine, is built off an AK action, and has a quick adjust gas system - which is a two position selector, shot or slugs. And it really doesn’t matter because the “shot” position works fine with everything I’ve thrown at it.
Yes but will it be still shooting 93 years from now? My 1914 (FN) Browning A-5 keeps chugging along.
Yeah, that is a pretty shotgun, but a shotgun is only as good as the person who is holding it.
I can’t hit *squat* with a shotgun, but I am fair to middlin’ with a rifle.
I have a student who can break 120 out of 125 on a trap range routinely, but it has more to do with the shooter, not the gun.
Besides, an ultimate shotgun to me is a Krieghoff, or my father’s shotgun.:)
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They will not run superlight loads, but for any high brass, buckshot or slug, they are faster and more reliable than gas guns.
The USMC M4/1014 uses the ARGO gas system, because the USMC required a capability to fire non/less-lethal (light) loads, specifically riot control agents. Easy with a pump gun, tougher with a semiauto. It's a fine combat shotgun, but more complex than necessary.
For the majority of tactical/lethal applications, the current M2 is the heat.
Only advantage of the Saiga is reloading speed, which is useful but not decisive.
Extrema is sweet but has more parts to fail, more parts to clean, and a slower cyclic rate than Benelli's inertia system.