WANT FREE HEALTH CARE - MOVE TO CANADA AND YOU CAN EXPECT THE FOLLOWING:

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[ml/nj]

Normally I don't forward forwarded emails I receive to FR but this one has so much stuff in it that if even half of it is true, attention must be paid. The red emphasis was in the original I received.
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I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan.  Something similar to what we have in Canada.  I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie.  As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

 

First of all:

 

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free.  We pay a premium every month of $96. for Shirley and I to be covered.  Sounds great eh.  What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat.  I am personally in the 55% tax bracket.  Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes.  A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.

 

2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan,  it is more like a health diagnosis system.  You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on.  We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

 

3)  Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs.  Have a pain here is a drug to take- not what is causing the pain and why.  No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

 

4)  Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

 

5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.  

 

6)  Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125. for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60. for each visit for him to check it out each week.

 

7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage.  Put on a waiting list .  Died before he could get treatment.

 

8) Government allots so many operations per year.  When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

 

9)The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter.  Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away.  But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

 

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it.  Despite  paying into the health care system all these years.  My friend is 65 years old.  Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system.  Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only.  That should reduce our health care costs.

 

11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

 

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue.  I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away.  Go figger.  Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy..

 

13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

 

14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy.  Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things.  But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered by the health care system.

 

I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada.  I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

 

Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.

[fanfan]

The guy says “93% of Canadians are happy with their care, that’s all you need to know!”

That's because 93% are not sick.

[vharlow]

Replacing employees who do the work of health insurance companies now at relatively low cost with government employees probably will not cost less, and could very well cost far more. Think about that. And when have government workers been more efficient than someone who actually can be replaced if not doing the job? Somebody will be administering whatever scheme the government comes up with, and you can bet it won't be terribly efficient.

Much of the cost of insurance can be controlled or lowered by allowing people to choose what their plans cover rather than government officials mandating coverages they not only don't want, but don't need. Government has been tinkering with WHAT plans cover for decades and raising costs as a result. Do elderly women who have had their tubes tied need maternity coverage? They must pay for it anyway in many places, and there are other mandated coverages people would opt not to have or pay for that government says we can't choose, they make those decisions! They have been meddling rates up for a long time.

Tort reform and reforming malpractice insurance could also lower costs. But that's not what the socialized medicine advocates want...they want to control every aspect of our lives, down to telling us what we can eat, and what we must not smoke!

Someone assure me that government can do the job.... Show me one agency that is run efficiently.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Yes, happily chasing squirrels again — thanks for asking.

Your anecdote about the MPP illustrates an important point. (Other) Canadians rail about “two-tier” health care, and queue jumping — meanwhile we actually have at least 3 tiers for health care.

One for the rich (hello Belinda Stronich) — who can afford to travel to the U.S. for instant treatment.

Another for Parliamentarians, medical system insiders, and anyone receiving Workers’ Compensation payments (to save another branch of government money).

Most of us are languishing in line down on the third tier.

[fanfan]

Here is another anecdote.

Our local conservative talk show host Lowell Green had to go to Gatineau, Quebec last Friday for a MRI.

He’s having debilitating back pain. He was told the wait in Ontario for a MRI would be 3-4 months, so he paid $725 plus tax to have it done right away.

On Tuesday, some caller actually denied we have more than one tier of health care. He agreed with Lowell that Lowell was able to jump the queue because he could afford the $725+, but was adamant that there was no multi-level health care here.

Wasn’t there a supreme court judgement on private insurance some time ago?
What ever happened to that?

I sure hope this thread is helping to inform Americans of what they are in for if the ever get “Hillary Care”.

[the OlLine Rebel]

“And when have government workers been more efficient than someone who actually can be replaced if not doing the job?”

Don’t worry; the “private” practice will be UNIONIZED, to ensure they can’t get their sorry $@!$##!@$ kicked out - and get more money for nothing.

We need to get rid of unions (never mind various fascist regulations) to prove conclusively that free-wheeling privatization would work.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Not enough people will ever read this thread - certainly not the facsists and communists who are simply “true believers” who won’t ever hear anything that contradicts their true belief.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Not enough people will ever read this thread - certainly not the facsists and communists who are simply “true believers” who won’t ever hear anything that contradicts their true belief.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

“Wasn’t there a supreme court judgement on private insurance some time ago? What ever happened to that?”

Good point — it seems that the MSM has buried that story.

My understanding is the Quebec government wanted to shut down private clinics, like the one Green went to. It went to the SCOC — who ruled that people have a right to access to health care. If the private system couldn’t provide that care — then private services have to be allowed. (The Court based their decision on the Quebec Bill of Rights rather than the Constitution — otherwise, the ruling would have applied everywhere.)

One of the Justices said: “Access to a waiting list is not access to health care.” That’s it in a nutshell.

[fanfan]

Maybe, but your Thanksgiving Holiday is coming up soon.

If we can spread the information far enough, and fast enough, it might make for a good dinner argument between the knowing and the un-knowing.

Which, at the same time, means it won’t look good for Hillary, or the Rats in general.

;-)

[fanfan]

One of the Justices said: “Access to a waiting list is not access to health care.”

I wonder why entrepreneurs are not flooding the market?

Or, perhaps they are, in Quebec.

See you tomorrow.

Assuming I don't need health care between now and then. ;-)

[potlatch]

No nightmares! Thanks Meek!

[ml/nj]

discussion on the idiot DU forums.

I didn't think the majority of comments I saw there were idiotic, at least about the situation in Canada. People seem to be making reasonable comments that many of the points in the letter I posted are not true; and they are certainly correct that there is no way to verify anything about the letter.

ML/NJ

[april15Bendovr]

“13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.”

Thats already been a reality in America. Its called “Free Care.” Illegals pay nothing and people with insurance have to subsidized the cost. Sadly its almost like we already have socialized medicine.

My mother watched in horror living in Delaware Mexicans (most likely illegal) inside a thrift store pickpocket a wallet and checkbook right out of a handbag of a a poor young women with a baby running quickly out the door. Its ironic because this poor young women started screaming afterwords "What am I going to do if I have to take my baby to the hospital? I have nothing now?"

Other shoppers helped her look in the parking lot only to find her wallet and checkbook emptied out on the ground.

I wonder how many other people have similar stories but hesitate to tell them because it is not politically correct?

[april15Bendovr]

!!!Attention Moderator

This thread should be a NEWS item and not just General Chat.

Any way possible you can submit this as a news item.

[mjordan76]

I stumbled upon this blog searching for info on US-Canada social security treaties... as an American who emigrated to Canada, I am surprised at how many Canadians take their health care system for granted. The Canadian health care system is one of the best in the world. Nearly all western European nations have a universal health care system - your desires to join the ranks of second and third world countries by destroying national health care is shortsighted.

[april15Bendovr]

Could you explain why you emigrated to Canada from the U.S. since you have only joined Free Republic October 24, 2007

We are very suspicious of people that move from America to Canada. I live in Massachusetts that is saturated with hardcore liberals that are ecstatic about the idea of living under a socialist style government.

Three things to me that would make it OK for you to emigrate

1. You love Canada and her people

2. You relocated with your job for employment

3. You have family in Canada and want to be near them.

Quite frankly the only two types of Americans other than those three examples above that move to Canada are liberals that hate America that even Canadians have a hard time with and people that think government should be a cradle to grave entitlement system for them.

I am an American. My mother was born in Newfoundland having 10 brothers in sisters. My uncle and my Aunt both almost died waiting for life saving procedures. I believe I have a right to be concerned even though I love Canada but hate socialism.