WANT FREE HEALTH CARE - MOVE TO CANADA AND YOU CAN EXPECT THE FOLLOWING:

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[ml/nj]

Normally I don't forward forwarded emails I receive to FR but this one has so much stuff in it that if even half of it is true, attention must be paid. The red emphasis was in the original I received.
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I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan.  Something similar to what we have in Canada.  I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie.  As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

 

First of all:

 

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free.  We pay a premium every month of $96. for Shirley and I to be covered.  Sounds great eh.  What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat.  I am personally in the 55% tax bracket.  Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes.  A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care our #1 expense.

 

2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan,  it is more like a health diagnosis system.  You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on.  We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

 

3)  Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs.  Have a pain here is a drug to take- not what is causing the pain and why.  No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

 

4)  Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

 

5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.  

 

6)  Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125. for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60. for each visit for him to check it out each week.

 

7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage.  Put on a waiting list .  Died before he could get treatment.

 

8) Government allots so many operations per year.  When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

 

9)The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter.  Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away.  But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

 

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it.  Despite  paying into the health care system all these years.  My friend is 65 years old.  Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system.  Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only.  That should reduce our health care costs.

 

11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

 

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue.  I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away.  Go figger.  Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy..

 

13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

 

14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy.  Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things.  But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered by the health care system.

 

I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada.  I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

 

Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.

[ml/nj]

In fact, in most provinces, you can’t pay cash for (say) speedy MRIs — unless you make a trip to the U.S.

My understanding is that if your dog needs an MRI, he can get one tomorrow.

ML/NJ

[MeekOneGOP]

hillary care !

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h51/TimSumner/shillaryHerThighness.jpg

[potlatch]

Yikes, that’s scary Meek.
Good to see you and I’m just heading off to bed.
Take care!

[MeekOneGOP]

Whoops!

Forgot the “Barf Alert!” :)

[MeekOneGOP]

hehe!

Sorry ‘bout that.

Hope it doesn’t give ya nightmares tonight.

G’night ! :^D

[fanfan]

My understanding is that if your dog needs an MRI, he can get one tomorrow.

One woman called the local talk radio show to say she had had a PET scan at a vet. office. She said she was a good friend of the owner, so she could get it done.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

“One woman called the local talk radio show to say she had had a PET scan at a vet. office.”

Where else would one go for a PET scan. ;-)

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Thanks for the response — your letter made a lot of good points. I had forgotten how big a problem malpractice lawsuits are in the U.S. Canadian doctors have medical malpractice insurance too — but, I expect it’s a whole lot less than what American doctors have to pay.

I wasn’t referring to the cost of ordinary health care, compared to insurance (private or government emergency). Where (any) insurance looks better is when you’re faced with catastrophic costs. In Canada, proponents will often feature someone who just had a series of very expensive tests and operations. They’ll say how grateful they are for the “free” government health care — because they could never have afforded to pay the whole shot. The option of private health insurance never comes up. We don’t compare socialized health care (it’s not even considered an insurance program any more — it’s a social program that must be delivered by government) with private medical insurance.

[cuz_it_aint_their_money]

Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away.

HMMM. Wonder where I've heard that before?
Our guberment does the same thing with the Dept. of Education and the Dept. of Social Services and the Dept. of Housing and Urban Development, and the ....Well you get the idea.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

One of the great conceits of socialists is that they won’t make the same mistakes as other socialists. Maybe, but they’ll make a lot of other mistakes.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Now, for a serious reply to your post.

My dog recently became seriously ill. I took her to one of the local pet hospitals where she got immediate attention. A series of tests were ordered and completed within a day (no months’-long waiting list). The downside was the cost — but, I could have avoided a lot of that by buying pet health insurance.

I suspect — but have zero evidence — that there’s a lot of “queue jumping” done by people with connections inside the medical system. (Queue jumping is what we call prompt service here.) Certainly, medical staff in a hospital don’t have to wait in line for treatment.

[the OlLine Rebel]

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[the OlLine Rebel]

Don’t know yet if this is “true”, but it’s making the rounds. Do a Google search for this e-mail.

1st thing that turned up for me in results - discussion on the idiot DU forums.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=190x22465

[the OlLine Rebel]

LOL! Excellent “viewpoint” - how it changes when you know more!

Notice her comment juxtaposed to 1 comment in that DU thread I referred to. The guy says “93% of Canadians are happy with their care, that’s all you need to know!”

[the OlLine Rebel]

http://jewishworldreview.com/1007/stossel101007.php3

Stossel’s latest. And you should read his recent columns that are like a series on “health-care crisis”.

[the OlLine Rebel]

I have another comment.

I have been suffering many digestive issues (in particular) and some other chronic issues of late. I’m also now pregnant. As a result of all this, I’m quite intimate in some discussion boards on our health conditions.

They are open boards and we FREQUENTLY have people from Britain, Canada and even Australia likewise complaining about all their health problems.

In the process, I’ve seen so many times the “foreigners” mention (not to be critical, necessarily) how they can’t go to another specialist without approval from the current doctor, have to wait for this test for 4 months, doctor won’t do this test, etc., etc., etc.

Yes, there have been direct complaint comments, too, but generally it’s what you glean by reading the realities for these people and what’s between the lines.

Of course, I got into a huge fight over socialized med starting with a Brit - who was reasonable. Who WEREN’T reasonable and attacked me were “AMERICANS” on the boards - as usual. The whining liberals who think everything would be peaches&cream if they didn’t have to put up with their horrible American doctors and pharmaceuticals and insurance co’s.

Anyway, it’s eye-opening just to hang out on the health boards for a while.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

“The guy says “93% of Canadians are happy with their care, that’s all you need to know!”

Most of us are happy with the system — because most people don’t need costly diagnosis and treatment, where they’re faced with long wait-lists. If you have a rare condition — it’s even worse. Most of the people who would have serious complaints about the health care system are either dead, or too incapacitated to complain.

[fanfan]

Gawfah, gawfah, gawfah.....

;-D

[HungarianGypsy]

Why I don’t want government health care. I was at the social security office to get a new card yesterday. I spent a year and a half in that office waiting for a two minute transaction. Meanwhile, there were less than half the windows open and the workers took breaks twice (one hour for lunch and a half hour break) while the waiting room was crowded. It sped up a whole lot after I was called. Only because it was less than an hour before they closed. If anyone is for socialist health care they just need to spend the day waiting in an office like this. If the government can’t even deal with social security properly, I do not want them to deal with my health care.

[fanfan]

My dog recently became seriously ill. I took her to one of the local pet hospitals where she got immediate attention. A series of tests were ordered and completed within a day (no months’-long waiting list). The downside was the cost — but, I could have avoided a lot of that by buying pet health insurance.

Is she alright now?

I agree though. Our pets have access to better care than we humans do.

I suspect — but have zero evidence — that there’s a lot of “queue jumping” done by people with connections inside the medical system.

Not only health care workers, but politicians as well. A local member of Provincial Parliament, Jim Watson, had a legion on his face, and it was removed within 2 weeks of finding it. A caller to our local radio station said he has the exact same sort of legion on his face, and he now has an appointment to have it removed.

Next February.