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McNabb stands by what he says
Phillynews.com ^ | 9/20/07 | DANA PENNETT O'NEIL

Posted on 09/20/2007 5:49:52 AM PDT by randita

McNabb stands by what he says

Defends comment on HBO that black QBs face added pressures

By DANA PENNETT O'NEIL

oneild@phillynews.com

Donovan McNabb says black QBs' performances are judged by different standard from whites'.

DONOVAN MCNABB smiled as the first question came at him, some innocuous query about the Detroit Lions.

He smiled, because he knew what was next.

The day after HBO aired a "Real Sports" episode in which McNabb spoke about the criticisms lobbed at black quarterbacks, the Eagles quarterback sat in what he knew would be a hot seat inside the NovaCare auditorium (though contrary to reports, McNabb did not storm out of the news conference. Public relations director Bob Lange asked for a final question and once it was asked and answered, McNabb got up and walked out).

"No, no, no," McNabb told the Daily News last night, when asked whether he had left in a huff. "Bob cut it short, and I was, like, that's it, so I walked out. I wasn't angry. I was smiling."

During the news conference, McNabb said he knew when the story was taped in August that whenever it aired, it would be met with skepticism and criticism, but that even now, front and center to the backlash, he doesn't regret his comments.

"If a question is asked, I'm going to answer it," McNabb said. "I've been in this business a long time. If I don't answer the question, it's an issue. If I don't answer the question, it's an issue. It's just reality. I only speak on facts. It's only something I've been part of and other quarterbacks before me and after me have been part of.

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To: randita
Redskins QB Jason Campbell disagrees
61 posted on 09/20/2007 10:47:47 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: Alberta's Child
In my opinion, Dan Marino was the best quarterback of my generation (basically from the late 1970s on). Marino made all his yards when games were out of reach and he HAD to throw. A great quarterback finds a way to win. Great quarterbacks carry the team and find a way to win the big games.... It sucks but that's just the way it is... Pastorini got stuck in the worst situation being in the same division as the Steelers...almost beat them except for 1 bad call. Doesn't matter...nobody remembers him...but they remember the one of the toughest SOB's to ever play..Bradshaw.

I hate him and the Steelers for beating the cr@p out of my Cowboys....but that's just the way the ballgame goes.

Marino is just not that great...sorry.

62 posted on 09/20/2007 10:52:48 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer

As far as your generation... Staubach, Bradshaw, Kenny “the Snake” Stabler, ....to name better 70’s quarterbacks.


63 posted on 09/20/2007 10:57:20 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Alberta's Child
Roman Gabriel Los Angeles Rams

/Norm Snead Minnesota Vikings

John Brodie

San Francisco 49ers

Fran Tarkenton New York Giants

Jim Hart/Pete Beathard St. Louis Cardinals

Sonny Jurgensen/Billy Kilmer Washington Redskins

Craig Morton/Roger Staubach Dallas Cowboys

Greg Landry Detroit Lions

Bobby Douglass/ Chicago Bears

Archie Manning New Orleans

Len Dawson Kansas City Chiefs

John Unitas/Earl Morrall Baltimore Colts

Daryle Lamonica Oakland Raiders

Joe Namath New York Jets

Bob Griese Miami Dolphins

/Dan Pastorini Houston Oilers

Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh Steelers

Jim Plunkett Boston Patriots

here are some other quarterbacks...from the 70's...might give Marino some competition

64 posted on 09/20/2007 11:02:37 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Rummyfan; 4everontheRight; ABG(anybody but Gore); Abbeville Conservative; admiralsn; akorahil; ...

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65 posted on 09/20/2007 11:22:36 AM PDT by scott says
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To: Dick Vomer
You make it sound as if the Miami Dolphins were losing every single game in which Marino played. That's not the case at all.

While most people remember great performances in big playoff games, Marino's greatest performance came in a regular-season game back in December of 1985 (this would have been his greatest game even if he had won four Super Bowls). That was the famous Monday night game in which the Dolphins shredded the Chicago Bears and their vaunted 46 Defense under Buddy Ryan by a score of 38-24 -- the sole blemish on the Bears' record in their 15-1 season and legedary playoff run to a Super Bowl title.

This was a Bears team whose defensive unit was arguably the best of all time. They gave up 31 points in the first half of the game, and could not come up with an answer to Miami's passing attack.

There were at least a half-dozen Hall of Fame caliber players on that Bears' defense. I suspect many of them would tell you that Dan Marino was the best quarterback they ever faced.

66 posted on 09/20/2007 11:26:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Dick Vomer

Kenny Anderson of the Cincinnati Bengals.

He should have been in Canton fifteen or more years ago. That he is not is a CRIME.

His success in what Bill Walsh referred to (accurately) as the ‘North bank of the Ohio River offense’ which all of you call the ‘West Coast Offense’ made what we see each Sunday viable.


67 posted on 09/20/2007 11:28:39 AM PDT by Badeye (Funnny how things work out, eh boys? (Grin))
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To: Alberta's Child

Marino was a great quarterback, the stats don’t lie.

Anyone that says otherwise is just a tad ‘bitter’ he didn’t play for their team.


68 posted on 09/20/2007 11:29:59 AM PDT by Badeye (Funnny how things work out, eh boys? (Grin))
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To: Badeye

Right. I wonder how many of those quarterbacks listed in Post #62 retired with nearly every major NFL passing record to their names!


69 posted on 09/20/2007 11:50:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Indeed. That he put up those numbers, in that era, is truly amazing.

Especially when you review the stats on other Don Shula quarterbacks, specifically Griese.

You want a chuckle, review his passing stats from the Super Bowl against the Redskins....


70 posted on 09/20/2007 11:52:39 AM PDT by Badeye (Funnny how things work out, eh boys? (Grin))
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To: Jigajog
Put him in a big game and he will choke.

He's played pretty well in most of the big games that I remember. He played well in the Super Bowl. I think he has a winning record in post season play.

71 posted on 09/20/2007 11:55:21 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: A Texan
I sided with Owens during that whole debacule.

Were you posting back then? I do not remember you defending Owens. Not saying you didn't. I say this because I was one of the lone voices in the wilderness defending Owens. Especially during his stay in Philadelphia. McNabb and his giant-sized EGO was always the problem, not T.O.

But back then, TO was the personification of all things evil to that vast majority of the NFL Freepers. McNabb caused the problems and still does to this day. Only Superbowl appearance by McNabb was when they had TO.

72 posted on 09/20/2007 12:09:40 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: A Texan; libs_kma

Man, I loved the Run-n-Gun Oilers. They were a joy to watch. But they seemd to be snakebit in the playoffs. The other time they lost to the Broncos - if Heywood Jeffries would have caught that ball in the end zone instead of dropping it they would have advanced.


73 posted on 09/20/2007 12:50:28 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan
Those "run & gun" Oilers had the same problem that every team using that stupid offense has (which is why it has pretty much disappeared from the NFL).

A team whose standard offensive set includes four wide receivers, no tight ends and one running back is not geared to do the one thing that is absolutely necessary come playoff time (particularly if they play on the road outside in cold weather) . . . RUN THE BALL.

Even if such a team is capable of mounting successful drives in poor weather conditions, they are pretty much incapable of doing something else that is key in any NFL game . . . RUN OUT THE CLOCK BY KEEPING THE BALL ON THE GROUND. It's no coincidence that this "run & gun" offense is most vividly remembered for blowing an enormous second-half lead in a playoff game.

74 posted on 09/20/2007 1:22:49 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Badeye
I saw an article last year about the most overrated NFL teams of all time, and that 1972 Miami team was at the top of the list -- which is pretty amazing when you consider they went 17-0.

I had no idea how average that team actually was. What I found most amazing (and pretty strong evidence that they were a very overrated team) was that they were undefeated through the regular season and through two playoff games, yet they were UNDERDOGS in that Super Bowl game against the Redskins!

75 posted on 09/20/2007 1:25:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Bender2
I was impressed in his professional work manner and skills at improvisational speaking.

Bender2, I absolutely love your work. Especially the Bender posts! Who else would consider drinking a bottle of vodka on the job professional? Keep partying (err, working) and posting!

76 posted on 09/20/2007 1:25:54 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Jigajog

The Eagles have only been successful in times that the NFC East doesn’t have very good teams. Dallas hasn’t had much of a team until recently; the Giants have been up and down; and the ‘skins haven’t done much lately either. Like last year, when the NFC East has (relatively) strong teams, the Eagles fold.


77 posted on 09/20/2007 1:28:37 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Dick Vomer
Marino made all his yards when games were out of reach and he HAD to throw. A great quarterback finds a way to win. Great quarterbacks carry the team and find a way to win the big games.

Do you mean the very same Marino that single handily beat the Chicago Bears(nicknamed the "greatest team ever") on MNF to mar their perfect season?

Bradshaw is the most overrated QB ever. Surround any average NFL QB with those Pittsburg Steelers teams and they get 4 SuperBowl rings too.

78 posted on 09/20/2007 1:32:44 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: randita

I was born, raised, and live in the Philadelphia suburbs, so I'm a lifelong Philly sports fan.

Having said that...McNabb is way out of line. First of all, the Philadelphia Daily News is slightly left of Hillary Clinton, even infiltrating their sports page.

McNabb owns the most Eagles' QB records, has a $65 million contract (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong), a head coach who will never criticize him, Mommy & Daddy who coddle him, and a fan base that deserts him ONLY when he underachieves.

Li'l Donny Mac should research former Eagles' QB's such as Ron Jaworski, Roman Gabriel, Doug Pederson, Mike Boryla, Norm Snead, etc., etc. to see if the fans were rough on them. As a 56-year old Eagles fan, I could tell him the fans and media were rougher on THEM than they ever were on him. Ever.

Oh, BTW, the aforementioned QB's are white.

Oh, and McNabb is 0-2 so far this season, when most "experts" picked the Iggles to win the division.

But I guess that's not an excuse.

79 posted on 09/20/2007 1:32:52 PM PDT by Fintan (I'd be willing to bet 9 out of 10 people in this country have no idea we have a Constitution.)
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To: Rummyfan
to the contrary, black qbs are given a huge pass for some reason....

gosh, haven't we've been told that Micheal Vick, and McNabb and now Young and whoever else happens to be a black qb are football gods ...

they can fumble, throw interceptions, lose games...yet questioning whether they should be the starters are just politically incorrect...

Philly would have been better if they had kept Jeff Garcia....

80 posted on 09/20/2007 1:35:16 PM PDT by cherry
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