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*** The OFFICIAL Weekend Singles Thread *** September 14-16 2007 - Saving and Investing
September 14, 2007 | WFTR

Posted on 09/14/2007 3:18:34 PM PDT by WFTR

Greetings, and Welcome to another Weekend Singles' Thread.

I've been planning all week to do one theme this weekend, and I realized just a few minutes ago that the theme that I planned is a week early. Furthermore, the discussion that I wanted to start was one that Dave wanted to join, and he won't be here this weekend. Because my timing would be wrong for the original theme and because I'd like to let Dave participate, I'm going to change topics at the last minute. (My apologies to the other hosts.) If things seem disjointed and unorganized, there's a good reason. I was confused and am putting together a different idea at the last minute.

This week's topic will be saving and investing. As always, participation is completely voluntary, but I want to emphasize that point when we're talking about money. The goal here is not to put anyone on the spot. What I hope we can do is talk about things in a way that lets people pick up bits of information that can help them without feeling embarrassed. I've written a bunch of the standard questions, but feel free to talk about any aspect of the subject that you find interesting or ask any questions that you want to ask.

How much time do you spend on investing your money? How long have you been investing? Do you have a modest amount in a 401k that you invest following pretty normal ideas of diversification or do you like to day trade taking big risks for big rewards?

How well do you understand investing and how the process works? Do you wish that you understood more? If so, what are you going to do to educate yourself? Do you ever watch financial shows or listen to them on the radio? Do you enjoy them?

Do you think investing is different for singles than it is for married people? Do you accept more risk as a single or do you accept less risk? A single person doesn't have a spouse who's going to argue about money, but do you have someone who knows how you are investing your money and who likes to talk about investing with you? If you were married, how much would you want to discuss investing with your spouse?

If you'd like to tell us, what are your financial goals? Do you feel that you can reach those goals?


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To: mware

Wonderful! You lucky lucky duck. Good for you to have gone and participated and waved the flag! 15,000 ! Wowzer!


61 posted on 09/15/2007 8:25:57 PM PDT by DancesWithCats
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To: WFTR

Just skipping to the bonus question, WHERE I spent my dream vacation is nearly as irrelevant as whom I spend it with.


62 posted on 09/15/2007 9:34:42 PM PDT by mbraynard (FDT: Less Leadership Experience than any president in US history)
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To: WFTR

Most plans allow for several hundred text messages a month if you pay by Direct Debit or are invoiced monthly even some of the pay as you go options give you free text.


63 posted on 09/15/2007 9:39:26 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: WFTR
Yes our pension is also tax free including the company’s contribution and does sound similar to your 401k as like that there is penalties for taking it early.

Though you can I think do so after 55 but it is much better to stay till 65 and annual statements reflect taking it at 65. In our plan you can also take a lump sum when you retire and monthly payment thereafter, if you pick this option the monthly payment are slightly reduced. One has weigh this up against how long you are likely to live and if you want to spend a bit more when you initially retire so use the lump sum say for a new care or a special holiday.

64 posted on 09/15/2007 9:43:46 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: WFTR

new care= new car :o)


65 posted on 09/15/2007 9:45:09 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: mbraynard

Okay, if the location and the company are irrelevant, what’s significant about your dream vacation?


66 posted on 09/15/2007 10:52:26 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

1. If you were a pirate, what would you name your flagship?

2. Where would you rather sail, the Caribbean, the South Pacific, or do you have another idea?

3. What kind and color of bird would you keep on your shoulder?
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1. I’d call it “Buck An Ear” and everyone who boards would have to pay accordingly, $2.00 for most.

2. Definitely South Pacific. Boycott Aruba!!!

3. A macaw? The blue ones. Only poopless.

[gecko cage?!]


67 posted on 09/16/2007 1:58:50 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: WFTR; snugs

Texting? Am I too old for that? LOL!

BTW, if you’re with Sprint, you can text. If you have the patience for it. I think it’s time consuming. Like phone trees.


68 posted on 09/16/2007 2:00:54 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
That's a clever name for a ship. I'm not sure whether $2 for a trip would be a good bargain or a bad bargain. While I'm not ready to spend the time or money needed to keep a bird, I'd also love to have a blue and gold macaw. The South Pacific would allow you to visit New Caledonia, the islands of origin for the crested gecko. They were rediscovered in 1994 and have become one of the most popular animals in the exotic pet trade. They are easy to keep and adapt well. I have one, and yesterday was a cage-cleaning day.


69 posted on 09/16/2007 1:30:24 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Froufrou

I agree with you about texting. While I’ve never tried it, I don’t think I’d have the patience for it.


70 posted on 09/16/2007 1:31:15 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR
It is fascinating seeing people text the predefined mode enables you to touch one or 2 keys and then it suggests for you the whole word it also has the ability to remember what words you use most often so the guesses get more accurate the more you use it.

I find this irritating especially when it comes to my name as gives all weird and wonderful suggestions before it allows me to override and type my name.

The problem I find because I do not use it enough it never remembers what I actually want to type. Obviously with the youngsters using it all the time it quickly remembers their common words. One of my colleagues at work was going on holiday with his mates this weekend and on Friday morning the organiser of the group text them all with itinerary and reminders of things they needed for the trip such as passport, money, suntan lotion etc etc.

71 posted on 09/16/2007 2:17:07 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: All; WFTR; snugs; DollyCali

Well, took Corky to the vets today. She is starting to produce insulin on her own again so we are taking her off that for the time being. Sometimes diabetic cats can start making insulin again, go for a while and then go down again. She had a real low bood sugar level so there are times that she was mopey, slow and not eating as much and could be a factor in her losing some weight. She is doing good and just ate a bit today. We will go again in two weeks for a blood sugar check. Her thyroid is OK for a cat her age and we still give her fluids for the kidney problems. She’s sitting in the hallway looking at me now as I type this. Hopefully her fur won’t look as raggedy as we stop the insulin.


72 posted on 09/16/2007 3:44:18 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Paint me something patriotic, like, The Confederate Flag!" - Wolf, from "Blackboard Jumble")
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To: 38special; aft_lizard; abishai; A knight without armor; Alberta's Child; Allegra; Amityschild; ...
Sunday Night Singles

Please freepmail DaveLoneRanger to be added / removed

It's Sunday night, and we're sitting at our computers again. Here are tonight's bonus questions.

1. Speaking of finances, would you rather work for a company that offered a generous pension knowing that sometimes companies fail (or fail to fund the pension) and employees are left without pensions or would you rather work for a company that offered a somewhat less generous 401k but was putting your money in an account that actually belonged to you?

2. How important is "financial compatibility" when considering a partner?

3. Do you believe that you will ever be a millionaire?

73 posted on 09/16/2007 5:45:32 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Nowhere Man

I’m glad that she’s able to produce her own insulin for a while. I hope she’ll feel better during this time.


74 posted on 09/16/2007 5:46:55 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR
I'd rather work for a company that offered a pension plan because they are almost always DBP's (Defined Benefit Plans) and guaranteed under the PBGC. Most companies are are getting away from company sponsored retirement plans due to the long term $$$ obligation. Instead, they are turning to offering their employees the option of contributing to 401-k's with company matched $$$..........

I have an aquaintance who back in 1999 was employed by a software company and instead of accepting a pay raise, he took it in company shares. At the time, he was considered a millionaire. Unfortunately, he had to hang on to the shares until his employment terminated, which it did and when it did, it was only worth pennies on the dollar........

Thats one of the drawbacks of being able to invest in the company you are working for.

75 posted on 09/16/2007 5:59:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I could be Agent "HT")
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To: WFTR
I’m glad that she’s able to produce her own insulin for a while. I hope she’ll feel better during this time.

Thanks. She's doing OK now but hopefully much better without needing the insulin. Instead of jabbing her 9 times a week (7 insulin and 2 fluids) it is down to 2 for the fluids.
76 posted on 09/16/2007 6:21:55 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Paint me something patriotic, like, The Confederate Flag!" - Wolf, from "Blackboard Jumble")
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To: WFTR

1. 401(k) Pension is too much like trusting social security. I trust my own judgement and investments.

2. Important. I’m divorced after 20 years. My husband came into the marriage with huge credit card debt plus obligations for much of his future income. I believe he married me primarily for money. Not that I was rich, but I had savings and a good income and was able to buy a house which he immediately moved into. So I’m a little touchy about any future partner hoping to mooch off me. I’d prefer someone who is at least as well off as I am, not because I expect him to support me, but because I am wary of having to support him.

If I were young and single, I’d be willing to support a husband under certain circumstances, provided I was confident I was not being used. At this point in my life, I wouldn’t.

All that said, I think it’s important for couples to have compatible financial goals. That is easier if they have compatible spending styles. I know too many couples where one partner spends like crazy and the other is a saver. The saver ends up feeling like he or she is always sacrificing for the gratification of the spender and it creates resentment and friction in the marriage.


77 posted on 09/16/2007 6:24:26 PM PDT by generally (Ask me about FReepers Folding@Home)
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To: WFTR
I agree with you about texting. While I’ve never tried it, I don’t think I’d have the patience for it.

I tried it. I don't.

78 posted on 09/16/2007 6:36:43 PM PDT by DancesWithCats
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To: WFTR
Due to changes in the law in the UK it is very unlikely that you can loose your pension rights even if the company fails. A company audits the pension fund and if it is considered to be underfunded then the pension administrators have to put it to the members how to make up the deficit. For many years our company made it up at one point we were contributing 5 per cent and the company was paying about 15 per cent of our salary. Recently though they have had to ask us to contribute more and slightly change the scheme in addition they have also put a lump sum into the fund.

In view of this I would always go for a company who offers a pension plan because they contribute at least the same amount as you do and it is tax free. To get as good a pension yourself you would have to put in at least twice the amount you do with a company one because you do not get the company contribution also often schemes offered are not as good as company ones as well. Also under current laws in the UK the money does actually belong to you and if you leave the company you can take it with you along with the contributions from your employer after admin fees are deducted.

I think that financial compatibility is important not necessarily having similar funds but having similar ideas on handling money otherwise this could lead to serious disagreement later on. On the other hand it can be healthy to have slightly different views otherwise if both partners almost fear spending money you could end up never doing anything and not enjoying the fruits of your labour.

No I do not believe I will ever be a millionaire.

79 posted on 09/16/2007 6:45:27 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs
I guess in the great scheme of things in this world, it doesn't mean much, but this hour marks the 30th year anniversary of my da's death.

Dedicated to him, with love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNL_wGZgV5Q&mode=related&search=

If I recall correctly John McDermott has just lost his own father when he sang this song.

80 posted on 09/16/2007 6:50:16 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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