Posted on 09/10/2007 3:24:38 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
What is a Kathy Griffin, and why should we care? We never heard of this blasphemous woman.
What’s a ‘Kathy Griffin’?
The thought occurs to me . . .
Gritch Griffin evidently is unaware . . .
Jsus’ supposed “meek and mild” days are history.
This time He returns as CONQUERING KING.
EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW; EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS THE CHRIST IS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS.
Evidently she plans to be out of practice on that score.
Jesus still loves her, everyone else thinks she’s an @sshole.
I have a hard time, though, with the commonly held interpretation of eternal damanation in the Bible. I don't doubt the truth of scripture, but I can't understand torture, not for a quadrillion quadrillion years, but for eternity, with no chance of repentance, after an infinitesimally short (by comparison) human life, if a person thinks the wrong thoughts or says the wrong words. That's not mercy to me, it's the most extreme cruelty. It makes human life an insanely dangerous gamble, a gamble most persons have lost. How can this be God's love? I think it must be a misinterpretation of the Word.
I have to go but will try to get back to this thread later, guess I'm in for the long haul, too!
Perhaps she does. I'm lazy. Maybe you have a bad eye. We're all open to these kinds of remarks.
I guess it's understandable that people vent a bit after her outrageous comments. Still, personal vituperation and religious moralizing don't blend well.
Could be. Sometimes folks get angry with God after a devasting personal loss. It can be a kind of cry for help, I suppose..
Perhaps she does. I’m lazy. Maybe you have a bad eye. We’re all open to these kinds of remarks.
Maybe you are.....(chuckle)
Could be. Sometimes folks get angry with God after a devasting personal loss. It can be a kind of cry for help, I suppose..\
I’d say its either this, or she’s just growing desperate to ingratiate herself with the Hollywood elites, as I mentioned above.
I’ve never understood the rationale behind saying such things, be it power lesbian Rosie O, or a comedian like Griffin.
In my Bible it takes repentance to be forgiven.
Life IS an insanely dangerous gamble. And, yes, most people have lost; because our goal in this life SHOULD be living it so we attain glory in the next life, but that's not what our attention is centered on, is it.
I have a hard time, though, with the commonly held interpretation of eternal damnation in the Bible. I don't doubt the truth of scripture, but I can't understand torture, not for a quadrillion quadrillion years, but for eternity, with no chance of repentance, after an infinitesimally short (by comparison) human life, if a person thinks the wrong thoughts or says the wrong words. That's not mercy to me, it's the most extreme cruelty.
You and many others find this hard to comprehend. And comprehension isn't helped by many of today's mainline religions practicing a Kumbaya, one-big-tent type of Christianity that focuses on God's love and compassion over his equally sincere jealousy and promise of eternal judgment. The problem with this approach is it allows one to look at Christianity as a easy path to salvation. Nothing about salvation is easy. It requires us to believe in things we've never seen, things that don't fit with how we understand things work (or should work), and ideas that at times run counter to our human intellect. A true Christian will also carry a healthy (yes, healthy) fear of God. For we as humans are prone to fall into sin as it's our nature. And we can't escape that nature unless we wholly accept Christ as our Savior, and live our lives accordingly.
A reading of the Bible shows that God makes no distinction among sin. Sin is sin. Sin is living apart from God. There is no hierarchy to sin. How can there be when it is simply that apartness from God that constitutes sin? Thus, those who live in sin (apart from God) will be judged at the end. Those who have found God and show they follow His command and accept Christ as their Savior will be judged also, but their judgment will be to His glory. This young lady's words show her as living apart from God. While we as humans may take her with a grain of salt, or see her as still being worthy of salvation because "God still loves us all, doesn't he?", she is living apart from God and that will be her judgment should she not see her error.
Don't mistake what we as humans see as levels of good or bad behavior as either more, or less, qualifying us for salvation. God, through His Son, will judge us based on whether we've lived our lives apart from Him, or as part of His community on Earth. Our acts (whether in our eyes petty or monumental) will all be judged the same by a righteous God. Either we acted in His name or we acted outside His name. That! will be our judgment. And fear of His decision is what holds us to the one true faith.
It used to be that Christianity was known for its 'Fire & Brimstone' type of teaching. We've actually not only turned the corner on that focus, but have gone way too far to the other end of the spectrum. True Christianity is a balance of the fear of God on one hand, and the acceptance (belief) in His goodness and mercy to those who seek it. When Jesus states: Mat 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.", he's not only referring to richness in terms of what we've accumulated in this World, but to those who choose life apart from Him. Fear of God, fear of His judgment through His Son Jesus Christ, is the element that keeps us focused on who we are, and where we need to be in our relationship with Him. God's blessings to you.
“Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain’t no Ten Commandments an’ a man can raise a thirst;
For the temple-bells are callin’, and it’s there that I would be—
By the old Moulmein Pagoda, looking lazy at the sea;
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay,
With our sick beneath the awnings when we went to Mandalay!
O the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin’-fishes play,
An’ the dawn comes up like thunder outer China ‘crost the Bay!”
Cheers! ‘D!
I personally adhere more to the “flawed masterpiece” theory of Humankind and sin myself. We were created perfect, but sin marred us, (and continues to marr us). All this “miserable worm” theology dreamt up by Augustine et al has done some nasty damage in “guilt-tripping” over the centuries.
I know it doesn’t seem very fair Supplysider, for Kathy Griffin’s foolish blasphemy to be equated to the crimes of an Adolph Hitler or a Mao-tse-tung, but remember these things don’t happen in isolation. Kathy Griffins comments, from a spiritual viewpoint, move her just that little bit farther away from God. Every sin, whether of committing or of omission, moves us away from God and His love. Similarly, when we allow ourselves to come to God, either through prayer, or meditation, or study of His word, we draw that little bit closer to Him. Holy living and sin have this in common: they are both habit forming!
So, when Kathy says these things, not only is she moving away from God, she is also making it just that little bit harder to get back to Him, and making it just that bit easier to sin again, and commit “worse” sins (although I wouldn’t like to define such things). From a spiritual viewpoint, that is just the ultimate expression of what your mass-murderer has done. People dont just wake up and think to themselves “I’m going to go and murder lots of people today”. A long time before, there was a hurt, which was brooded upon. A sin, nursed, unforgiven and hence unforgotten. It grows into a contempt for people and eventually into a hatred. And so it goes. The road to hell consists of a multitude of increasingly wrong turns.
Now I’m not saying that Kathy Griffin is going to one day go off and become a suicide bomber or whatever - I dont know what her future holds. I fervently hope and pray she sees the errors of her ways and repents and turns away from the materialistic and hedonistic lifestyle she seems to have chosen. What I do know is that the crimes of the mass murderer and each one of us are not so far removed as you might think. If I think in my heart “I hate you and I wish you were dead”, then from an intent purpose, what exactly is the difference between me and a murderer? It could just simply be that in addition to hating my fellow man I am also too much of a coward to actually do the murdering! At least the murderer lives his convictions!
Jesus still loves her and is still asking for her Salvation. That statue will not satisfy her hunger for Jesus.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Remember, Kathy Griffin is VERY pro-Gay, and since Christianity is Anti-gay, if thier is no God, how can thier chosen be criticized?
It’s not so much that these people fear a GOD, as much as they fear the MORAL JUDGEMENT of thier chosen lifestyle...
If it's any consolation, I'da stuck up for ya........thats just plain butt ugly
This says it all: “This award is my God now.”
This woman is completely ignorant and probably has no idea what she really has done. We need to pray for her that she repents as she is storing up wrath for the judgment to come.
I obviously don’t have the same feelings as my Christian friends about this, but I am disgusted just the same at her coarse, vicious, nasty remark, designed to hurt and outrage millions and millions of people for no good purpose except to show her Hollywood friends that she is a full-fledged pagan who hates Christianity and everything it stands for.
You have my sympathy and shared outrage.
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