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Pippen:"I didn't think it would end this way." Gandalf:"End? No the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path. One that we all must take. The grey rain curtain rolls back and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it." Pippen:"What, Gandalf? See what?" Gandalf:"White shores. Ad beyond...a far green country under the swift sunrise." Pippen: "Well...that isn't so bad." Gandalf: "No. No it isn't."
1 posted on 08/10/2007 5:13:27 PM PDT by snugs
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2 posted on 08/10/2007 5:16:32 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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Hi Snugs. I lost both of my parents and am single. I do have a large family so I am only alone when I want to be.

Do you fear death either your own or a close friend or family member?

I fear for my family, and I guess I fear being the last to go. The pain I went through with my mom was horrible. We took her to the hospital for a medical test that was out patient. She never came home, spending 3 months in ICU before dying.

Does death impact how you lead your life ?

Live every day like it was your last, one day you will be right.

What are your thoughts about an after life?

My priest told me his idea of Heaven was to be fishing and catching a 400 pound Marlin. It would take him a year to reel him in. Once he had, he would pat it on the head and say, "Let's do this again in a year."

4 posted on 08/10/2007 5:27:02 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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My biggest fear about living alone and death is that I will die in my bed overnight, and nobody will know for a time. After a week, my dog Crystal will either die of hunger or be well fed.


6 posted on 08/10/2007 5:31:28 PM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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Oh yeah, and it doesn’t bother me because I know that when I do kick it, I’ll go home, that’s all. Home as in Heaven to be with everyone I love who has gone on before me (including all the lovely critters whose company I miss so much). I just have not a doubt about it. I’m comfortable in who I am and in how I spent my life and the choices that I made. Life has been hard but I did it right and took from no one and gave as much as I possibly could to help those less fortunate than me and, what with having my health problems, I’m still moving forward. I’m moving forward on different paths than I certainly would have chosen for myself, but still, it’s forward motion and I can look back and say ‘this person did this or that but I didn’t respond in kind’ and God has opened doors for me and life goes on. So there.


10 posted on 08/10/2007 5:39:37 PM PDT by DancesWithCats
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14 posted on 08/10/2007 5:51:17 PM PDT by shbox
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This is a tough one for me. I lost my step-father and uncle w/n a month of each other in the past 4 months. I have been thinking a lot about mortality and whether there is anything beyond. To me, believing in an afterlife is the easy path. We all want to believe, we want to see our loved ones again. I’ve been a widow since I was 38 and would certainly like to see my husband again. BUT...

Isn’t this all wishful thinking? There’s no proof that there is anything beyond the grave and all the wishing and praying won’t make an afterlife real.

So, I guess what I am struggling with is the finality of it; trying to be brave and not hold onto religion for an ‘answer.’ I’m not anti-religious, I pray, I’m a good person, but to my mind, none of that has anything to do with whether there is an afterlife.

Since we know ‘neither the day nor the hour,’ we should all live as good people, doing charity for others, treating our family members and co-workers well. For me, nothing in my behavior would change.

As far as an acceptable subject for discussion, I think it is a fair topic, but probably only with certain people.

My step-father had lung cancer. When I went to see him, which wound up being a month before his death, I talked to him normally. I had, however, sent him a letter a few months prior, telling him what I was doing, career-wise, and why I had chosen not to return to where my family lives on the east coast. I did this because I hadn’t seen my parents in years and my step-father was never one for phone conversations.

I had a lot of negative things I could have said, he treated my late husband and I terribly for years, but I hope I chose the higher road and just kept things light. Maybe I was a sap for not saying how I felt, but at this point, why burden a dying man? If there is any justice, as a believer, he went to his grave knowing he’d been a right ba$tard who would have to pay for his actions.

Sorry for the long post, but you’ve picked a topic that has been on my mind lately.


16 posted on 08/10/2007 5:55:23 PM PDT by radiohead
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Interesting topic for this weekend, I just lost my second oldest cat, Boo, he was 17. His thyroid values were high, we got the test results today. Had we tested for that earlier, maybe we could have saved him. Well, then again, maybe not. I'm still bumming over it. Some good news, Corky, 18, did get a good report from the vet and she has a good appetite. Tomorrow night, she get the UV for fluids so it will not strain her kidneys.

I'm glad we have the new kitten, Rascal, I guess that means life goes on. Anyways, G.W. (Dubya) does need another male to hang around.

My views, well when we pass on, we go to our rewards or punishments,. In Heaven, I guess it is much like existing in another physical place where you get to see friends and family that have passed on along with your pets and so on. I know I'll really meet my grandfather as well as see all my departed kitties again.

Getting back to cats, I have pictures of all three of my males, Boo, Dubya, and Rascal all together, I plan on posting them.
23 posted on 08/10/2007 6:40:47 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Paint me something patriotic, like, The Confederate Flag!" - Wolf, from "Blackboard Jumble")
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To: snugs

Depressing topic. Maybe something more cheerful?


51 posted on 08/10/2007 9:40:46 PM PDT by racing fan (Go Team Israel!)
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Oh boy! You hit a biggie with me this time. It seems thoughts about death are never far from me. Not in a "Bad" way, just being realistic. There have been many events in my life to remind me that Life is fragile. I have been run over by a car twice. Shot at. Spent a day and a half on life support after a heart attack. And sence 1994 I have been doing the Eldercare gig, being the primary caregiver for my Mother who is 81 now.

Do you fear death either your own or a close friend or family member?

Yes & No. I do not fear my death anymore. After lying there on life support one tends to come to terms with mortality. I do not know what I will do when Mother joins Father. With what Social Security pays me, I am not sure I can afford to live anywhere.

Does death impact how you lead your life ?

Not really . . . well . . . Maybe. I wake up each morning and Thank God for the gift of living one more day. I know that one day I will wake up dead. Then I can thank God in person for the life I had.

If you though you only had a short time to live how would that affect you in various aspects of your life and would you be honest about it when meeting someone new.

Well, it is kinda hard to hide a 14 inch scar going up my chest. I am upfront about my health because it is a part of who I am.

What are your thoughts about an after life?

Very real.

Life as we know it is our school and proving ground. Death is our Graduation from Time into Eternity. The only question is which neighborhood we will be in when we get there. If we live our life with the goal of being near God, we will be. If we live a life wanting nothing to do with God, He will Honor that desire in the afterlife as well.

Do you think that death is an acceptable subject for a social discussion or is it on your ban list?

The more I think about it, the more important a topic this is. It is a given that we are on this thread looking for a lifetime partner. And to be blunt . . . in the ranking of Life-altering Events, Death is one of the biggies.

Do you feel awkward and not know how to deal with someone if they advise that they have a life threatening disease or even more so if they have been told they do not have long to live?

The few times I have been in that situation it has not been a problem.

57 posted on 08/10/2007 10:31:59 PM PDT by Petruchio (Out to Lunch)
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Hi everyone, I didn’t introduce myself on the last thread *poor form, I apologize!* so let me fix that now;

I’m Ken, 39 YO guy, living in Fresno, conservative, registered Repub, car guy, loves travel, and has done much recently with trips to Scotland twice in 4 years (first trip in August 2002, 5 years ago to the DAY, a weekend in London in December ‘03, and a return to Edinburgh for Hogmanay this past December/January) yadda yadda yadda.

I’m a Bay Area native, having been born in Redwood City, CA (where Scott Peterson had his trial, for those not aware of Redwood City), grew up mostly in San Jose, then moved to Modesto for a little bit, and wound up in Fresno in November of ‘05.

This topic is quite familiar to me, as I’m living a life after my mother and step-father passed away somewhat recently. My mom succumbed to a recurrence of a brain tumor in ‘04, dying at a home my younger brother and sis-in-law were renting at the time, not but 7 minutes or so away from where I am now living, while my step-father passed away on his birthday, July ‘05, being prepped for having his left leg amputated below the knee (his heart stopped after having been given heart medication, then anesthesia).

There’s more to tell, but I think some folks would have their eyes roll up in their sockets after my posting, so I won’t do that now. But if anyone is interested, I’ll email them the Reader’s Digest version, as best as I can.


59 posted on 08/10/2007 10:40:23 PM PDT by peek-a-beau (Whisky, Anglo and Scoti-phile, Christian searching for a "home" church, member Clan Stewart)
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Hello my dear friend from Ashford.... Of course this topic resonates with me all the time.. Death per se was my last career as a grief counselor & Hospice/cancer/AIDS chaplain.

I know this topic for you is important as you lost a dear friend recently. After I have had a death, about all I do revolves around the resolution of various matters.. This past 18 months has been rough death wise as I have lost 4 close family members(aged 42-79); 6 close friends (aged 38 - 64), and too many FReeper friends, many of whom I had met face to face over the years. The loss of my Oliver(pup) and Cali(cat) last weekend were very difficult.

I have a lot of thoughts about the afterlife & the soul & heaven/hell.. but will withhold them for now. I always talk too much on this thread.

Nice to see so many new faces & people at various stages of their life’e experiences.

I will check back over the weekend. I am pretty tired now. Just got in a bit ago from seeing Bourne Ultimatum, which I enjoyed. I have been up since 4 AM & very busy & am wasted at this point.

Hope you all have a delightful week-end & can do some things that you love along the way..and be with people you love also. So important.


60 posted on 08/10/2007 10:46:14 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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Well, I have not posted on the Singles Thread for some time, but this topic definitely hits home for me.

Some of you know that my husband died suddenly 5 1/2 years ago. We had a newborn baby at the time.

I have no fear of death. I believe he is in Heaven and one day I will see him again. In the mean time, our little boy needs his Mommy and most of my time is consumed with either working or taking care of him.

Unfortunately by the time I get around to reading my ping list, mostly every one else is already asleep.


63 posted on 08/10/2007 11:58:38 PM PDT by TheresaKett
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To: snugs
Do you fear death either your own or a close friend or family member?

I suppose everyone does on some level, myself included. However, I just make sure that I have no regrets or unfinished business with folks I'm close to.

Does death impact how you lead your life ?

Yes. Like I said above, you don't want to have any regrets or unfinished business.

If you though you only had a short time to live how would that affect you in various aspects of your life and would you be honest about it when meeting someone new.

I think I would definitely be honest about that. It wouldn't be fair to drop dead on someone who had every reason to believe you were still going to be around for a long time to come.

What are your thoughts about an after life?

My soul belongs to God and is in the capable hands of Jesus Christ until the day that I make my last journey.

Do you think that death is an acceptable subject for a social discussion or is it on your ban list?

I do think it's fine. But, then again, I've always been strange in a lot of ways...

Do you feel awkward and not know how to deal with someone if they advise that they have a life threatening disease or even more so if they have been told they do not have long to live?

Not especially. People in these situations tend to need the companionship of their fellows, which I'm happy to give.

We are all afraid of dying on some level, and that's natural, but I don't lose sleep over it. Ultimately, we're all dead men. No one is getting off this rock alive. We have no choice in the matter. There are two things that matter: how we live the life we have, and how we face death when it's our turn.

My grandpa, who I was close to, passed away last December. Of course I'd love to have him back, but he was also a Christian, so I have no worries about his immortal soul.

As for dealing with it, I have always lead a fairly solitary life. I'm accustomed to dealing with things on my own, in my own way, and in my own due time.
111 posted on 08/12/2007 8:02:31 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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