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Did 'Battlestar Galactica' Kill Television?
SyFy Portal ^ | 07/13/07 | MICHAEL HINMAN

Posted on 07/18/2007 2:48:40 PM PDT by KevinDavis

As the Internet continues to make significant strides in gaining respectability among mainstream media, more and more attention has been focused on the true power of the World Wide Web.

Some of that power was felt just a couple weeks ago when Web-savvy viewers of the CBS series "Jericho" convinced the network they were not paying enough attention to how the show was being distributed through non-traditional means -- you know, the Internet -- and in the end, had vastly miscalculated the audience for the show. On top of that, the campaign to organize the "Save Jericho" campaign came almost completely through the Internet, and CBS is poised to return the show either later this year or early 2008.

Other genre shows, however, have tapped into the raw energy of the Internet, whether it be the well-marketed and fan-produced "Star Trek: New Voyages," or simply by accident like SciFi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica."

(Excerpt) Read more at syfyportal.com ...


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: battlestar; bsg; galactica; jericho
I think we are seeing the end of traditional network tv because of the internet.
1 posted on 07/18/2007 2:48:42 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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2 posted on 07/18/2007 2:49:13 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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To: KevinDavis

Back in ‘78-’79, a sizable group would gather in my dorm room to watch “Battlestar Gallactica” on a new, 19” RCA ColorTrak color TV, which I’d paid for with the sweat of my summer job.

I’m not sure I ever got used to seeing Ben Cartwright in space.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.


3 posted on 07/18/2007 2:59:31 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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Actually that was the first time I saw Lorne Greene on tv for me..


4 posted on 07/18/2007 3:02:18 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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To: KevinDavis
I think we are seeing the end of traditional network tv because of the internet.

I wish.
Presently, the only downloadable purchase of episodes of favorite series is in the "IClod" format. Not buying that.

5 posted on 07/18/2007 3:02:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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I think we are seeing the end of traditional network tv because of the internet.

Disagree.

i think we're seeing the end of the Nielsen rating system, and other such monitors of viewing habits in favor of download statistics.

Unfortunately, even for SciFi, Bonnie Hammer is married to an out-moded rating system even more faithfully than she is to her husband.

What Ronald D. Moore could have done with a full five years...

Rachel dear, i think you probably want to be a part of Kevin's two ping lists.

6 posted on 07/18/2007 3:02:51 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: newgeezer

I think they’re talking about the new Battlestar Galactica, with Edward James Olmos, not the old show with Loren Green.

I watched the old show too, in first run. It doesn’t hold a candle to the current show.


7 posted on 07/18/2007 3:03:43 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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Isn’t there a ton of shows out there over three years old doing well?

House, 24, 2 and a half men, numbers and so forth.

8 posted on 07/18/2007 3:05:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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I happen to agree with Phsstpok... I still like the old one only for nostiglic reasons.. Nothing else.. Plus I had a crush on Maren Jensen and Anne Lockhart....


9 posted on 07/18/2007 3:08:20 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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I think they are talking cable shows only.


10 posted on 07/18/2007 3:08:57 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)
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To: KevinDavis

Kathy Griffin and the D list is good.

Obviously the Real World on MTV was going for years.

Monk

Not as many, but they are doing good.

I guess there would be less viewers on cable to begin with, so some shows are not going to be able to pay the expense of making episodes with little money.


11 posted on 07/18/2007 3:14:07 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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With the DVD sale of TV series (both old and new) these guys have a whole new and lucrative revenue stream. I can see the day when a TV is just used as a means to introduce people to a series they can only get on DVD or by download.


12 posted on 07/18/2007 7:26:26 PM PDT by Grig
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What Ronald D. Moore could have done with a full five years...

This thing has been bleeding viewers. The reason it didn't get that extra year is due to Moore's storytelling choices.

This show is boring.

IMHO, of course.

13 posted on 07/19/2007 9:39:53 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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This thing has been bleeding viewers. The reason it didn't get that extra year is due to Moore's storytelling choices.

i agree that there was a substantial viewer bleed. Much of that can be attributed to SciFi management.



Still, even with declining viewership, BSG has been a big money maker for the network, in terms of both DVD sales, and I-Tunes downloads.

There is a difficulty with any programme, especially a serial such as BSG where story lines evolve across seasons. That difficulty is that at the beginning, characters and possible directions are a Tabla Rasa, but as time goes on, one 'writes him or herself into a corner', that is to say that they're limited by the choices made for the character in the past.

Yes, IMO, Moore has made some bad choices. For example, the conclusion to season 3 appears to have been written for 14 year olds, not the 18-54 demographic the show was attempting to reach. It was stupid, plain and simple. The very late season 3 dealings with Starbuck were also stupid impulses that should have been suppressed.

Rather than boring though, i thought that the show was entirely too intense, and intense without letup. They needed to give their audience a break. i'm all for reality of the situation, but there is such a thing as burning out your audience.

Incidentally, it was Moore and Eick's choice to end it after four seasons. The alternative was the uncertainty of getting a fifth season, because Bonnie Hammer is still living in the 50's with her reliance on Nielsen ratings as authoritative, and an accurate measure of a show's popularity.

The bottom line is not the Nielsen numbers, rather, the bottom line is how much money the show bring to the network. After all, it exists to make money.
14 posted on 07/19/2007 10:37:52 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

The should have done the show in 3 seasons, maybe even 2. The amount of filler that was stuffed into the show in season 2 and 3 was why I stopped watching.


15 posted on 07/19/2007 10:44:27 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Rather than boring though, i thought that the show was entirely too intense, and intense without letup. They needed to give their audience a break. i'm all for reality of the situation, but there is such a thing as burning out your audience.

I didn't find it intense, but I did find it unrelentingly GRIM. Shows like The Sopranos have the advantage of being able to have humorous subplots and such without altering the flavor of the show. Not an option here, and while some would say the show has maintained its integrity, the show is made in such a way that a sameness prevails.

Incidentally, it was Moore and Eick's choice to end it after four seasons. The alternative was the uncertainty of getting a fifth season, because Bonnie Hammer is still living in the 50's with her reliance on Nielsen ratings as authoritative, and an accurate measure of a show's popularity.

I don't believe that, but neither of us was in the room. Moore seems to be spinning this situation, since when one of the actors talked about this being the last season, Moore denied it at first, then weeks or months later admitted to it and then said it was HIS idea. Of course, he was saying a shortened final season was a good thing, until the season was allowed to be a full one, then he said THAT was what he wanted. So I don't put much stock in his word on this.

Sci Fi's managment is screwy, I agree, but at the same time all the efforts to promote this show have resulted in it losing viewers. That's a simple fact, and the kiss of death. If it would be financially advantageous for them to continue, they would. That the show is making money for the makers doesn't really change the fact that it's bleeding viewers--the issue isn't the structure of the DVD and syndication reruns plans.

The bottom line is not the Nielsen numbers, rather, the bottom line is how much money the show bring to the network. After all, it exists to make money.

Sure, but the bottom line in terms of popularity, which is what I was refering to, is viewers, and this show is losing them, not growing the fan base. And I think that monotony is the number one reason for that.

16 posted on 07/20/2007 12:35:30 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer, free-speech zealot, pro-legal immigration anti-socialist dude.)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

I am GLAD he won’t get 5 years.... only the first 18 months are worth watching.


17 posted on 07/20/2007 7:39:05 AM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: KevinDavis

The first time I ever saw Lorne Greene on TV was in commercials for Alpo. Just as I know Martha Raye from Polident, Rosemary Clooney from Coronet Paper Towels, and James Whitmore from Miracle Grow.


18 posted on 07/20/2007 7:40:40 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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