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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation

Posted on 03/09/2007 8:53:08 PM PST by mom4kittys

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To: spectre
I agree. Howard may be a sociopath as well as somewhat insane. I don't understand why anyone - unless they have something major to gain - supports him. It raised red flags when I heard Milstein hugging Howard. Greta mentioned that Milstein had done an incompetent job, or words to that effect, as the guardian.

Just wondering how reliable are the reports that ANS had 105 temperature.

Soon after Daniel's death, Vergie mentioned on NG that Howard would not let her talk to her daughter, that he would hang up and then the phone number was changed. Now the PI reported that Howard would also hang up on Daniel.

I hope the baby is still alive. No way should she stay with that control freak. Perhaps HKS needs the time to clear her system of drugs.

4,461 posted on 03/17/2007 7:35:11 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Thank you ma'am! Even if it not determined to be a factor in her death--wouldn't you think with all these doctors, nurses, EMT's, that SOMEONE would have told ANS about it? She was KNOWN to eat a LOT of grapefruit.


4,462 posted on 03/17/2007 7:38:07 AM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: TrishaSC

That had occurd to me, but I was thinking Alex Goen who is a so called hypnotist.


4,463 posted on 03/17/2007 7:42:35 AM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Sacajaweau

The way I understand it is that if Howard picked up the phone and if it was Daniel he would either not let her talk to her or if she was on the line with him hang up on him. ANS may have been so drugged up it wouldn't matter to her. This was probably during the time of the Clown video and from that you could see how out of it she was.

With regard to you and your son..that's between the two of you but just imagine if it was his girlfriend or wife that was doing the hanging up and acting as gatekeeper. It's not really the act of hanging up it's the act of someone having control of the other.


4,464 posted on 03/17/2007 7:49:16 AM PDT by TrishaSC (TEAM BIRKHEAD /JUSTICE FOR DANIEL)
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To: mom4kittys

REALLY??? I hadn't heard that. Well that is quite interesting. He just oozes slime.


4,465 posted on 03/17/2007 7:50:00 AM PDT by TrishaSC (TEAM BIRKHEAD /JUSTICE FOR DANIEL)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Your reference to the deal reminded me of Greta's show where they all agreed that there is no need for a deal - one is either is the father or he isn't - unless there is collusion. These rumors have cause some people to wonder the pregnancy was a setup, etc. I myself can see no reason whatsoever for LB to make a deal. It would only hurt him to be linked to the likes of HKS - I presume he is well aware of the public dislike for HKS and that he is a person of interest in two deaths.
4,466 posted on 03/17/2007 7:52:41 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: mom4kittys
Unless it was done on purpose.

There are a number of drugs that cause adverse reactions if taken with grapefruit. It is always stated on the instructions accompanying them.

4,467 posted on 03/17/2007 7:57:10 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3

Exactly, it would be VERY easy to do wouldn't it?


4,468 posted on 03/17/2007 8:01:51 AM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: sodpoodle

"....sticking closely to the side of Howard K. Stern."

I have a feeling that eventually one will have to turn on the other. She'll blame him to save her a$$ and vice versa.


4,469 posted on 03/17/2007 8:08:00 AM PDT by toldyou (Forget the Joneses, I can't even keep up with this saga!)
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To: Dante3; Everybody
Thanks to all for their reply..I'm peeling carrots for my roasted fork tender Corned Beef Brisket, with onions, new potatoes and steamed buttered cabbage..Happy St. Paddies Day!

Another thought. The man that Daniel was living with has to know plenty. And don't ever forget who was the most important person in Anna's life. Danny.

They may have had a "spat", but they got over it.

sw

4,470 posted on 03/17/2007 8:10:43 AM PDT by spectre ((Spectre's wife))
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To: TennesseeGirl

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Eroshevich&first=Khristine


4,471 posted on 03/17/2007 8:11:58 AM PDT by toldyou (Forget the Joneses, I can't even keep up with this saga!)
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To: scoobeedoo
Hi like minded American living in dairyland. I have wanted the baby to be Larry's. But I am very unsure now that the Opri (soap) Opera has happened.

Why would G. Ben Thompson handed a $900,000.00 Estate over to Anna Nicole Smith and Howard K.Stern after she became pregnant with no written lease or sales agreement in place? You would think a savvy, successful Real Estate Developer might know better.

I too find that highly suspicious.

Thompson spent the month between Thanksgiving and Christmas 2005 with Anna Nicole Smith in Key West, Florida, leaving Larry Birkhead behind to spend both holidays alone.

This is another big question mark in my mind.

Anna Nicole, in mid-May 2006 INFORMED G.Ben Thompson that the baby was his. Don't you think that Anna could count backwards? The vasectomy was a farce I think. (I want evidence) Larry Birkhead denied being the father of Dannielynn Hope until May 31, 2006.

I didn't know Birkhead was ever denying paternity. That is interesting in that it means he had the same doubts I have about the timing in December.

Mr. Gaither Ben Thompson/ Shelley's, on the day Anna Nicole Smith died, procured and currently have possession of Dannielynn Hope's Birth Certificate! (and footprints etc.)

Is that part of the things they took out of Horizons during the so called robbery?

Mr.Thompson/ Shelley's and are leaking photographs, videos digital pictures that they admit to collecting from Anna's (their home) and damn well making some kind of ching ching from it! But who is ever asking them how much money they are making off of Anna?

You mean the picture of methadone in her fridge? Things like that? I thought perhaps they were selling that to discredit Stern.

Concerned that hospital staff would report her drug use to child protection agencies, Anna eventually relocated to the Bahamas.

I'm surprised the hospital didn't have to report a pregnant woman on something like heroin which I believe she was on and the methadone was prescribed to get her off the heroin. Just my guess here. In any event if DL were born anywhere in the US and had drugs in her system ANS would have been reported to the police so I believe THAT was her biggest motivation in moving to the Bahamas where it looks like they don't care much about the welfare of infants in a legal sense.

I took out my calendar and looked at it hoping for a conception date of Dec. 31st. That would put the hospital stay at the end of April.

Here's how I was taught to do it. To figure the estimated due date you take the date of the mother's last period and count back 3 months and then add 7 days. Unfortunately we don't know the date of ANS last period and she'd probably lie about it anyway.

To do it in reverse you can try using the baby's birth date (but everyone keeps saying DL was born early--that is when they aren't saying she was born late so even her birth date is sort of up for grabs). For the sake of argument use her birth date of September 7 and count in the opposite direction from above. That is, count forward 3 months and subtract 7 days. That gives you November 30 or December 1 as the estimated date of ANS' last period. Women are fertile 10 to 14 days after their period. That makes the time ANS was most likely to conceive as around December 14. That is 2 full weeks from December 31 when she was doing Birkhead again. If he's the father I will be very surprised.

Larry on the stand said the detox was in April sometime, but this would be like the 30th. I am really not sure how to count baby weeks though? I could be wrong. But I do know that the Laurie Payne depo document includes an email from Anna, and I am quite sure it is dated May 9, 2006. Look and see if you see the same?? http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/110206_birkhead_smith_email.pdf

That's a very interesting e-mail for a variety of reasons.

Well all I am saying is the dates don't add up for me... I wish they did though.

I completely agree that the dates don't add up. As for wishing they did I have lots of problems with the notion that Birkhead would be a wonderful daddy. First of all he thought ANS was a fine example of womanhood and had the makings to be a decent mother. Her track record with her first child is absolutely dismal...nothing but neglect from the time Daniel was 3 months old until he was 7 years old. Then Birkhead knew about her drug use and still thought it was okay to impregnate her. Usually I say women decide to get pregnant and stay pregnant but in this case he shouldn't have been having unprotected sex with a drug addict. A man that careless about a child in utero isn't my idea of a man who has the sensibilites required to be a good parent.

Oh and the Shelley's were at the hospital when Dannielynn was born. From Greta's Feb 12th transcript. VAN SUSTEREN: When is the first time that you heard that he (HKS) was claiming paternity? G. SHELLY (G. Ben Thompson's Daughter): Through TV. I mean, we went over there. When we got the call that the baby was born, went to the hospital, she introduced the baby as my sister when I walked in the door.

That is interesting but the problem with anything ANS said is that she was both a drug addict and a liar.

4,472 posted on 03/17/2007 8:15:23 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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To: Rte66

Just was reading all those posts. Wow! What terrific work. Kudos. How very helpful. Thank you.


4,473 posted on 03/17/2007 8:19:51 AM PDT by justthinkin (if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...)
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To: TrishaSC
Could be, its hard to know what goes on in families, nothing would surprise me anymore.

I remember my older brother left to live with grandparents when he was 16, my folks wanted to get him away from his crowd in HS. But what that did was only further distance them from each other. (my parents were strict and churchgoing, no alcohol,ect)

To this day all involved say it was a mistake, because my brother for decades still looked at my dad thru the eyes and memories of a teenager. By letting him go, and not going thru that rough patch, working thru that tunnel, none were able to see that light at the end.

My grandparents ended up just coddling him, and he got worse and was allowed to get away with everything! It wasn't until his 30's that he got back on track with us all. (he's great now, as a matter of fact he has been working in Iraq for the last 3 years)

It could be that Anna was allowed to roam around, have sex to early obviously, had no discipline at all, no money, no ambitions, education, drugs and alcohol. To many strange men around a lovely young girl.

Anyway, I remember her agent saying that her Hollywood people didn't want her "white trash" family around, and she was probably ashamed of them when she got famous.

So sad for all involved. (sorry for this long reminiscing,lol)
4,474 posted on 03/17/2007 8:22:45 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: An American In Dairyland
Anna is Howard's corraborator. Everything was "Anna's Wishes". It sure does look like Howard AND KE are in trouble. If KE wasn't her best friend, it would be different but she allowed the demeaning videos and supplied the drugs and had access to her.

Both of them belong behind bars. One way or another, they both killed her. Negligent homicide. "I'm not a doctor" doesn't fly for Howard and his "I've seen her a lot worse than that" is evidence of it. "Anna's Wishes?"

4,475 posted on 03/17/2007 8:25:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: uncitizen

"But their was one friend who was interviewed by someone, she was by phone, so her face wasn't shown, but they asked her if any of Anna's accusations were true and she said "whatever was disclosed to me privately by Anna i won't divulge, let's just say that there is something about Anna's step-father and mother, step-father"."

Just catching up. In case this hasn't been answered, the person saying that was Jackie Hatten.


4,476 posted on 03/17/2007 8:35:16 AM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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Prince Frederic von Anhalt on Paternity Battle for Anna Nicole's Daughter, Lawsuit - On the Record with GRETA VAN SUSTEREN March 15, 2007

4,477 posted on 03/17/2007 8:38:02 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I think it is funny that Greta brought the IV port up last night for the first time (that I have heard). And I know we were talking about it a week ago or more. It was one of the first things I noticed in a picture of Moe with ANS they kept showing on tv.


4,478 posted on 03/17/2007 8:46:09 AM PDT by pnz1 (Pray for our troops-they need it now more than ever..)
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To: Irish Eyes

>>>Meanwhile, a hearing on an ownership dispute concerning the house where Smith lived in the Bahamas was adjourned until April, according to an attorney for South Carolina developer G. Ben Thompson.>>>

APRIL!?!?! Now I know how to live for FREE indefinitely in the Bahamas. I hope they realize how corrupt their government is showing itself to be. Not that it wasn't before, but now the light is shining on it. Of course personally, I don't care because they (Thompson) deserve it as their karma for helping to keep that baby from Larry Birkhead, IMO.


4,479 posted on 03/17/2007 8:46:37 AM PDT by Southerngl (TEAM BIRKHEAD Firm Member: CIO (Chief Information Officer))
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To: scoobeedoo

Why would G. Ben Thompson handed a $900,000.00 Estate over to Anna Nicole Smith and Howard K.Stern after she became pregnant with no written lease or sales agreement in place?
You would think a savvy, successful Real Estate Developer might know better.




But they did!! That's the entire point of this whole debacle. They had a contract that said she would get a mortgage on this within so many days but Anna said she thought it was a gift (somehow I have a feeling HKS was a part of her 'misunderstanding'). It was not a gift, it was a purchase until they got a mortgage. Then they (HKS and ANS) turned into squatters. They needed a place in their name to the permanent residency, but didn't have the funds right then. I think they made a deal hoping to get some cash quick. The whole part that is odd is that after Daniel died, they had enough money from the sale of those photos to at least get a mortgage with half of the money to put down. But chose not to. HKS got ANS in more trouble than she ever had without him. But she was too dumb or gullible to figure it out.


4,480 posted on 03/17/2007 9:10:13 AM PDT by Southerngl (TEAM BIRKHEAD Firm Member: CIO (Chief Information Officer))
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