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Firefox Loses Browser Share, Safari Gains
Computerworld ^ | 02/21/2007 | Gregg Keizer

Posted on 02/21/2007 6:11:42 PM PST by Swordmaker

Net Applications reports that Firefox lost share but Apple's Safari continued to gain ground.

Mozilla Corp.'s Firefox browser lost market share last month, Web metrics company Net Applications reported Wednesday. But Apple Inc.'s Safari continued to gain ground, an indicator of a slow but sure uptick in Macintosh sales.

In January, Firefox accounted for 13.7 percent of the browser usage market, Aliso Viejo, Ca.-based Net Applications said, down slightly from 14 percent the month before. The dip was the first since May 2006. Since then, Firefox's share has risen continually month to month.

"It appears to be a real dip," not a statistical anomaly, said Vincent Vizzaccaro, Net Applications' executive vice president of marketing and strategic relationships. "It's still bigger than November, though, as if Firefox had a little spike in December.

"Firefox has had minor setbacks like this before," said Vizzaccaro.

More conspicuous than Firefox's slip, however, has been Safari's steady march. The Apple browser, which is based in part on the open-source Konqueror, boosted its share to 4.7 percent in January from 4.2 percent in December. A year ago, Safari held 3.1 percent of the browser market.

"The more interesting trend is on the Safari side," said Vizzaccaro. "It looks like it's taking share away from browsers in the Windows environment."

Net Applications, which also tracks Web users' operating systems, said that the increase in Safari's share has been matched move for move by a climb in Mac OS X use. In January, the combined PowerPC- and Intel-based Mac OS X share was 6.2 percent, up from December's 5.7 percent. "Both Safari and Mac OS X are heading in the same direction -- up," Vizzaccaro said.

Windows XP still has an overwhelming lead in operating systems, however, with 85 percent. Microsoft's Internet Explorer accounted for 79.8 percent of the browser market in January.

Windows Vista, which debuted to businesses in November but only hit retail Jan. 30, had just 0.2 percent share by then, according to Net Applications.


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To: Swordmaker
I think Saft and Safari Extender are very lame compared to the extensions in Firefox. I like Firefox's approach with using Javascript and the HTML-like chrome user interface. You can't build the kind of extensions in Safari that you can with Firefox.

And I believe that Safari owes more to Mozilla than to Konqueror. BTW, the full Konqueror is going to come to the Mac and PC in KDE 4. With KDE 4, we'll have libraries to support binaries for things like Konqueror on each system, providing proper look and feel for each OS. Having the real Konqueror on the Mac is going to shake things up.

I just don't find Safari to be terribly compelling compared to either Firefox or Konqueror. Certainly, Firefox's implementation on Mac isn't as good as it is on Linux or Windows. But that will likely change as Firefox improves.

I also notice that Safari, like M$ with IE, plays catch-up to Firefox. It's hard to make a list of solid new features in any browsers except Opera and Firefox.
21 posted on 02/21/2007 7:54:05 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

I don't generally use konqeror as a web brower, but one thing it absoutely excels at is a file browser. If you haven't played with the fish:// protocol, you are missing out on some really slick stuff, especially if you combine dual fish:// sessions in midnight commander mode. You're on SYSA, and want to move files from SYSB to SYSC, fish:// and MC can do it for you securely and efficiently.


22 posted on 02/21/2007 10:05:05 PM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: tubebender
What is the difference between FoxFire and Camino...

I prefer my enhanced Safari to FireFox and have never tried Camino, so I could not tell you. Firefox is good but I don't like the rendering... I find Safari more readable.

23 posted on 02/21/2007 10:07:50 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

The GGG main list has 588 names, and no duplicate post problem. Of course, I *am* running OS 9.2.2, and you're running X... ;') What happens with the GGG list sometimes is that, after it gets done, nothing comes back (blank screen, with "Posting Comment" still in the title tab).


24 posted on 02/21/2007 10:48:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: zeugma
I don't generally use konqeror as a web brower, but one thing it absoutely excels at is a file browser.

I still think that the article is wrong and Safari is a Mozilla browser. Anyway, the reason I'm so hot for KDE 4 to come out is the chance to use Konqueror on Linux, PC, Mac. A unified file browser on all platforms. Very nice. And Apple's Finder is really lame.

Konqueror could do the same in file managers as Firefox has done with browsers. It's about time, I think. I like the idea that open-source apps will be able to use the KDE 4 libraries and just run anywhere.
25 posted on 02/21/2007 11:00:38 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
I still think that the article is wrong and Safari is a Mozilla browser.

Safari was originally built on the Gecko engine which is used in Mozilla's web browsers... but with Safari 2.0 I think they moved it to WebCore, Apple's own display engine.

26 posted on 02/21/2007 11:57:53 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

I like Opera. It runs quite nicely in SLED and XP.


27 posted on 02/22/2007 12:21:57 AM PST by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: Swordmaker

Downloading and installing FireFox was one of the first things I did with my new Mac, but I'm not really fond of it. Where do I go to "enhance" Safari? I like tabs - will enhancing it get me tabs?
Thanks.


28 posted on 02/22/2007 7:06:18 AM PST by Bookwoman
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29 posted on 02/22/2007 7:52:35 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Swordmaker
Firefox is good but I don't like the rendering... I find Safari more readable.

Run Firefox in OSX and then fire up XP and load the same pages in Firefox with ClearFonts enabled. It's a world of difference.

Leopard will have resolution-independent display, a very needed feature for scaling, anti-aliasing, and reducing code overhead. Apple needs to overcome the font advantage Microsoft has in how it renders to LCD screens. I am confident Apple will deliver.
30 posted on 02/22/2007 8:08:36 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Bookwoman
I like tabs - will enhancing it get me tabs? Thanks.

On the menu for Safari (where it says Safari in bold print right next to the Apple picture at the upper-left corner of the screen), select Preferences (this is where Preferences are almost always kept on Mac programs).

In the Preferences dialog, select the Tabs panel. Just enable multiple-tabs. It's not enabled by default under Tiger for some reason. Probably because the release of Safari 2.0 is recent and that is when Safari finally supported tabbed browsing.

Sorry if I'm being pedantic but some switchers don't notice this for a while, being accustomed to hunting through menus under Windows to find where the idiots put the preferences settings.
31 posted on 02/22/2007 8:13:58 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Bookwoman

Or just hit Apple-, (hold down Apple key and comma) to get the same thing. Works on 99% of Mac programs. Lots of Mac users learn some of these because they are so universal and handy.


32 posted on 02/22/2007 8:16:12 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Swordmaker
load the same pages in Firefox with ClearFonts ClearType enabled

Oopsie, that's better.
33 posted on 02/22/2007 8:18:39 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Thank you for your info and your patience! After so many years with Windows, it is tough to be a Mac newbie...


34 posted on 02/22/2007 12:03:37 PM PST by Bookwoman
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To: Bookwoman
Any time. Mac folk try to be helpful for those trying to beat the ugly Windows addiction! ; )

Give yourself a year, it'll all be old hat.
35 posted on 02/22/2007 1:56:29 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
I really like Konqueror as a file browser, ESPECIALLY, when it is in midnight commander mode. The version with Mepis seems to have this functionality removed. Any ideas on how to get this "back?" It is my understanding that it has not been removed in 3.5 altogether, but just in the version Warren put in the distro.

Make it simple, I am a noob.

36 posted on 02/22/2007 4:01:58 PM PST by DreamsofPolycarp
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To: DreamsofPolycarp; zeugma

Not a clue. I'm not a Linux expert. I'm running a slightly older distro of Ubuntu now (6.06 Dapper, I think) so I'm still okay. I'll wait for KDE 4's release to make major changes. What I'm really wanting is all those KDE apps for Linux and Windows and Mac. What a triumph for open-source. And open source should be able to thrive without requiring that we switch our operating systems. Look at Firefox or Audacity or other fine programs that are open-source and multi-platform. KDE, with its KOffice and package of educational programs for the public schools will be a great multi-platform offering.


37 posted on 02/22/2007 5:08:08 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Bookwoman
Where do I go to "enhance" Safari? I like tabs - will enhancing it get me tabs?

Tabs are already built in to Safari. Safari was the one of the first browsers to have tabbed browsing. You just have to turn them on. Go to Safari/preferences and select "Tabs" and check all three check boxes: Enable Tabbed Browsing, Select new tabs as they are created, and Always show tab bar. Done.

While you are at it, make sure you check the Safari/Block Pop-Up Windows on the Safari menu.

To enhance Safari, giving you complete control over your tabs, download and install Safari Extender. It is shareware so it will cost you to continue using it after a trial period, but it is worth it.

38 posted on 02/22/2007 10:35:48 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: George W. Bush
Leopard will have resolution-independent display, a very needed feature for scaling, anti-aliasing, and reducing code overhead. Apple needs to overcome the font advantage Microsoft has in how it renders to LCD screens. I am confident Apple will deliver.

The font rendering engine on Macs does a fine job and in my opinion is far better than the PC in that regard. I'm not sure what you are referring to as the "font advantage" of Windows. I have looked at both, side by side, and the Apple's display is better. This was being discussed about three weeks ago. Here are some side by side examples:

As I pointed out to RightFighter, the PCs font rendering is distinctly grayer, the "s" is missing pixels, but the Apple not only shows complete "s"es but also has complete detailed serifs.

Apple Macs use Display PDF engine for all screen rendering. The resolution independence will be important for things like zooming in, showing the fonts at the best appearance regardless of how zoomed in or out the screen is.

39 posted on 02/22/2007 11:00:47 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

safari's been using the Webkit (webcore + javascriptcore) layout engine, which itself was based on KHTML, from the beginning..


40 posted on 02/23/2007 2:30:49 AM PST by byset
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