Posted on 02/16/2007 5:04:54 PM PST by NraFreedom
“Allahu Akbar” heard on Video Inside Trolley Square.
To Whom It May Concern:
I am writing and providing you with this information because I need help. A video was shot by Jaron Dansie, who usually shoots wedding videos. Dansie found himself trapped inside Trolley Square Mall when a gunman entered the mall and began shooting people. What is more important than the images is the audio portion of this video. Various persons on FreeRepublic Dot Com on the Internet have discovered what they strongly feel are the words “Allahu Akbar” repeated in two places on this video. If this is true, then this event is most likely an act of terrorism by a Muslim in the War On Terror.
The video can be found on two Internet sights. It is suggested that the first link (liveleak Dot Com) be used as it has a timer on the video. The two sites are as follows:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8dbc5_4507
and
http://kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com
The Islamic war cry was first identified with any sureness by Freeper “NraFreedom” he posted it on FreeRepublic Dot Com and allowed others to listen to it. NraFreedom comments (the times refer to the approximate times on the LiveLeak Dot Com video):
As it turns out, Allahu Akbar is shouted in two places on this video. The video has a timer on it. At location 1:38 (one minute thirty-eight seconds) or 1:39 the terrorist shouts the Islamic war cry three times (you only hear Allahu of the third time; the Akbar part is covered by a gunshot). At location 1:47 The same voice shouts the war cry once or twice more.
The funny thing about this is that I originally heard it the second time but was not sure. In fact I entered this in my daily journal for yesterday:
KUTV Channel Two local CBS affiliate here in SLC released a video taken by a person hiding in a gift shop inside of Trolley Square during the shootout with the shooter. I listened to it very closely and found the Islamic war cry, Allahu Akbar repeated three times. There are more gunshots and then I thought I heard the war cry another two times; however, I was not sure about the last two times.
Now, others have heard both times in their listening to the tapes; and, I said nothing to anyone about the second war cries! People have been kind enough to use audio editing software to buffer and clean the audio up and have heard it. Many have heard the first time it is shouted, but few have heard the second time.
The end of the whole matter for me is that it was on the tape and it was not just me thinking I heard it. I really did hear it (By Freeper “NraFreedom)
Other Freepers who say they have heard the same thing are as follows:
I can hear it. The video has a timer on it: starting @ 1:38 OPD! OPD! alla u AKBAR alla U akBar (rapidly) then a shotgun(?) blast 1:44 "There he is!" followed quickly by 2 perhaps 3 more alla u akbar's for perhaps 15 seconds it sounds like the officer is negotiating with someone "if you want get out come with me(?)" @ 2:01 5 gun shots in quick succession @ 2:12 shotgun blast @ 2:15 shotgun blast @ 2:20 many blasts it's all over by 2:30 when you see the Tabula Rasa sign ((by Freeper “youngjim”)
"ALLAH AKBAR" Heard 3 times at 1:38-1:40 into the video. (by Freeper “Rb ver. 2.0")
I listened to the video a second time after it was fully buffered. I agree with your observation. I heard "Allahu Akbar" at last twice in quick succession after the police identified themselves at 1:38. A 3rd utterance occurred about 1:47 into the video. Islamic jihad comes to the shopping mall. No doubt in my mind. The PC press will continue to play it down. Terrorist incidents just mean another opportunity to run "wall to wall" coverage on a single topic while the rest of the newsroom takes a nap. The gun control Democrats are licking their chops with an incident that proves that it's necessary to disarm the citizens...for their own good. (by Freeper “Myrddin”)
You're 100% right. After the shout of "police" and the unintelligible "O.B.?" twice - then I heard IN A DIFFERENT VOICE "Allah Akbar" three times before a gunshot. (by Freeper “by drpix”)
I am hoping that you can assist in either refuting or validating what we think we have heard. If this is validated, please make sure that the American people get the word. The Main Stream Media just does not want this to get out.
Thank You! If I can be of further help or answer any questions, Please feel free to contact me.
Freeper ID= NraFreedom
yeah, it is hard to hear. I think that if he indeed yelled "allahu ahkbar," that with all the news crews there immediately afterwards interviewing witnesses, SOMEBODY who witnessed this would have mentioned he was yelling at least "some foreign words." JMHO.
I've ordered accident reports. You call and ask for the records department and they might charge $5 or something. A quick search on the internet looks like in some cases it might be possible to order a criminal investigative report. Don't know if you could get a criminal report that doesn't involve you and maybe they won't if the case is under investigation. I would imagine cities and different states might have different guidelines.
"Take your liberal nonsense to DU."
- I am not a liberal.
"Was it "genocide" when we killed all those Germans? Or when we killed all those Japanese?"
- No. That was a defined conventional war and the bombing was the proper way to destroy the industries and willpower of the Germans and Japanese to conduct war. Research my posts and you will find that I am very opposed to the kinder/gentler rules of engagement we are using over there. I am all for taking the gloves off until the Islamofascists are destroyed.
This war does not have defined borders and armies.
Does that mean we should turn every muslim nation into a glass parking lot or should we aggressively go after those who promote islamofascism? Could we start with Turkey (our NATO partner)? I want us to overthrow the regime in Iran (unpopular according to many reports) so would it be more effective to try and remove the regime or should we start carpet bombing Tehran to kill as many Iranians as possible? I think that would make the situation worse.
"My solution is to subdue the Muslims by all means available to us including nuclear weapons. When it appears that they are no longer a threat to us we can stop. They will decide how many of them have to die before we reach that point. Unfortunately it will just a matter of time until a substantial majority of American agree with me."
- Just a matter of time before all Americans agree with you? Are you serious? Did you watch the news today about the debate in congress? Our nation (as evidenced by congress) cannot even agree to fund 20,000 more soldiers (a cowardly defeatist attitude) and you expect that we will start dropping nukes all over the middle east?
Your earlier question you said I did not answer or that the cat had my tongue......... I actually sat down to dinner with my wife, 19 month old, and newborn because that was more important than this debate.
"Do you think more Muslims are terrorists or sympathize with the WTC attackers (who definitely were Muslims) than Germans were Nazis or sympathized elimination of certain non-Aryans?"
- Yes and no. There are many more Islamofascist than Aryans. I simply used them as an example to illustrate the obvious double standard that exists in the MSM. They always point out things not protected by political correctness.
However, I don't think most muslims subscribe to the same views as the Islamofascists. We need to attack this problem in the same fashion as we do cancer. You don't kill the entire body to eliminate a cancer.
Bump!
Can anyone provide a link to a cleaned-up audio file? The echoes in the mall are just too much to hear everything clearly.
This isn't good. Freepers should all be sending this out to FNC and Rush, etc. because we know the MSM won't report this.
You're going to be flamed for that post. Don't worry so much about that.
There's a lot of knee-jerk around here. But... For good reason.
Should you distrust your Islamic friends?
Well.. that's the question, isn't it? The more you learn about Islam the more you will learn the answer to that question. For... within Islam, you *have* no Islamic friends.
Either you don't fully understand it, or they don't. The first one to figure it out wins. Good luck.
:-)
I'm not worried about flames and thankfully he can't nuke me.
It's not often I take the other side of the argument but the only muslim friend I currently associate with is a Captain in the U.S. Army Reserve and a prosecutor. We drink beer every so often so he is probably about as good a Muslim as I am a Christian.
I got to know a few Muslim officers during my time in the Army through joint training or schools. They were a unique group and I probably pestered them with too many questions. My perceptions were that most of them were most worried with feeding their families, paying the bills, and doing something positive. I also noted that they disliked other Muslims based on geography/ethnicity.
I did not find them to be the monolithic enemy so many make them out to be. The hatred between Sunni/Shia is a perfect example.
We need to focus our energies on Islamofascists and not Islam. That's my .02.
Interesting. Honestly.
But like many others, I've begun my own study of Islam and the Arab mind and Arabic history. My results so far are not encouraging. So there's that.
:-)
My study has taught me that a Muslim who wants to get to heaven will engage in Jihad (Armed war to kill the infidel or bring the infidel to a place of submission: dihimmitude). Jihad is the highest responsibility of a Muslim. Those who do not engage are in danger of hell-fire.
I am very encouraged by your statement, "But, like many others, I've begun my own study of Islam..." I am very pleased that others are waking up and seeing a need to find out for themselves.
As for this issue of whether an Islamic war cry is heard on this tape... I want to know difinatively whether it is or not. Part of me hopes I am wrong; but I have heard that cry so many times before that it jumps out at me. If I am wrong then so be it; yet, I will still prepare and raise my voice to the threat against my country!
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
RESULTS ON LAST WORDS BY GUNMAN AT TROLLY STATION by 4butnomorethan30characters
Sulejmen Talovic opened fire in a Salt Lake City mall, killing five people before being gunned down by police. I wanted to know if his last words were "Allahu Akhbar", so I took the time to review audio from video recorded on scene. I'm presenting my personal findings for others to review. I have eliminated all portions of the audio not related to the "Allahu Akhbar" reference. I attempted to cross-reference my results against several speech recognition software titles with no success due to reverb. I did not want to compromise or alter the phrasing in any way, so I elected not to attempt any reverb elimination. That could give a false conclusion.
Conditions of review.
Software: AVS Audio Editor version 3.4
Original File: mallshooting.wma/ 48,000 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo; 128 kbps
Audio Editing: Insertion of silence at beginning or endings. Normalization as industry standard. No effects, no filters, no amplification, or any other modifications.
(Caption 1: Full Sample Clip with markers) Listen to Clip Here
Marker 1 "Aa"
Marker 2 "la" or "la-u"
Marker 3 "ak"
Marker 4 "ba"
Marker 5 "r" (distinct ending as expected)
Marker 6 "Al"
Marker 7 "la"
Marker 8 "ak"
Marker 9 "ba"
Marker 10 "r" (distinct and proper ending as expected)
At this point in the audio, I determined the vocals to be indistinguishable. There are similarities that could lead one to think a third attempt at the phrase was started. The audio and graphic stop at this point, as gunshots occur and mask the individuals voice.
ping to # 52
But, isn't that what they are trying to do to us??
Are you saying they should genocide us but we cannot fight to stop them??
ML/NJ
No. No one else would shout 'Allahu Akbar' unless they were Muslim and committing their final act of jihad. I can't remember the last time any Christian, Jew or otherwise murdered a bunch of people while shouting 'God is Great'. Murdering for the glory of God is kind of an oxymoron.
I agree.
Do you feel insulted when they act like we are so stupid that when they tell us "it's not terrorism" or that it's a "religion of peace" we actually believe them? I do and it really makes me angry!
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