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1 posted on 12/05/2006 11:45:31 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender
I enjoyed The Passion much more than I expected to, so I'm looking forward to Gibson's next effort. Indigenous Meso-American people have always been fascinating, yet have has rarely been examined in film.

Needless to say, blood *was* central to Mayan religious life. Assuming that Gibson explores this accurately, then this film is definitely not for the squeamish.

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39 posted on 12/06/2006 4:23:43 AM PST by Wormwood (the happiest sadist)
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Ping..(because I agree with you)
42 posted on 12/06/2006 4:36:30 AM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: freedomdefender
Yes, the Maya sacrificed humans to the gods, but these rituals were part of a complex worldview:

Yes, satanism.

I was hoping that this movie would destroy the PC whitewashing of the satanic human sacrifices of Mayan civilization.

There's a reason why Mary visited Juan Diego.

1474 An Indian named Quauhtlatoatzin was born in Cuautitlan.
1476 Juan de Zumarraga was born in Spain.
1492 Christopher Columbus landed on an island in the Americas and named it San Salvador.
1514 The first Marian Shrine in the New World was established in the city of Higuey, first to be built on American soil.
1519 Hernan Cortez landed in Mexico.
1521 The capital city of the Aztecs falls under Cortez.
1524 The first 12 Franciscans arrive in Mexico City.
1525 The Indian Quauhtlatoatzin is baptized by a Franciscan priest. He received the Christian name of Juan Diego.
1528 Friar Juan de Zumarraga arrives in the New World.
1529 Juan Diego’s wife, Maria, became sick and died.
1531 Year of the apparitions to Juan Diego
1533 The first sanctuary was erected.
1541 Franciscan priest and early historian of New Spain “Motolinia” writes that some nine million Aztecs had become Christians.
1548 Death of Juan Diego.

43 posted on 12/06/2006 4:38:52 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Sounds eerily like the "complex world view" behind the culture of death lobby today.

"The gods need you," explains David Carrasco, professor of religious history at Harvard.

Hmmm. *Science needs the freedom to clone embryos, embryonic stem cell research etc.

"They depend on human life for their own existence, there's this kind of reciprocity."

*Think of how many diseases we could cure if you would only support the sacrifice of the tiniest of humans - no one would even miss them.

In sacrifice, he adds, the people are becoming like gods.

*We decide whose life is valuable, and we can use the lives of those who we decide are inconsequential to attempt to make the important people, those with power and money, immortal.

51 posted on 12/06/2006 6:35:39 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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[Professors say Gibson's Apocalypto is biased against Mayan bloodletting]

LOL! BWAahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!


Lord help me! Too stupid!!!!


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54 posted on 12/06/2006 7:02:20 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: freedomdefender

sniff, sniff, sniff.


55 posted on 12/06/2006 7:03:43 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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Thanks raygun. This made me chuckle:
Yes, the Maya sacrificed humans to the gods, but these rituals were part of a complex worldview
See, that excuses everything.

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65 posted on 12/06/2006 8:25:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: freedomdefender

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

The Mayans didn't get the memo. After the final sacrifice of Jesus, there was no longer any religous need for human blood sacrifice. Unfortunately, the Spanish Dominicans were very slow in delivering the message.


67 posted on 12/06/2006 8:34:32 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Rozerem commercials give me nightmares)
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To: freedomdefender

These godless liberals are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for this "complaint".


68 posted on 12/06/2006 8:34:33 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: freedomdefender

"The gods need you," explains David Carrasco, professor of religious history at Harvard. "They depend on human life for their own existence, there's this kind of reciprocity." In sacrifice, he adds, the people are becoming like gods"

Isn't it curious that the sacrifices that the Gods need and demand are always from the 'other' tribe or whoever happens to be at the lowest end of the culture?

The only sacrifice I ever heard of that was demanded by God of an 'in-group' member of a culture was Isaac--and it turned out that God was only kidding Abraham.


69 posted on 12/06/2006 8:43:57 AM PST by wildbill
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MMMM. Diversity/muticulturalism/cultural equivalency ping.


70 posted on 12/06/2006 8:44:24 AM PST by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: freedomdefender
Just part of the left's ongoing rehabilitation of all that was evil in history.

In the next issue of Newsweek, an article about how the Roman Emperor Nero was actually a gentle artist and visionary--the first man to legally marry another man!
75 posted on 12/06/2006 9:03:57 AM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: freedomdefender
Yeah, let's hear it for cultural relativism.

From this link on the subject:

In fact it's quite strange the way a line of thought that's intended to side with the oppressed often sides with oppressors in the name of multiculturalism. A great many practices could be put in the box 'their culture'. Dowry murders, female infanticide, female genital mutilation, slavery, child labour, drafting children into armies, the caste system, beating and sexually abusing and witholding wages from domestic servants especially immigrants, Shariah, fatwas, suttee. These are all part of someone's 'culture', as murder is a murderer's culture and rape is a rapist's. But why validate only the perpetrators? Have the women, servants, slaves, child soldiers, Dalits, ten-year-old carpet weavers in these cultures ever even had the opportunity to decide what their culture might be?

And this is where the hard choice comes in, where the competing goods have to be sorted out. One can decide that tolerance and cultural pluralism trump all other values, and so turn a blind eye to suffering and oppression that have tradition as their underpinning, or one can decide that murder, torture, mutilation, systematic sexual or caste or racial discrimination, slavery, child exploitation, are wrong, wrong everywhere, universally wrong, and not to be tolerated.

Everywhere and everywhen.

77 posted on 12/06/2006 9:08:09 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: freedomdefender

Newsweak and PMSNBC combined.

The scholar set have always pushed the noble peaceful savage myth. The Mayans were savages. They had a blood religion, they made human sacrifice.

MSM trying to sugar coat in order to protect tourism and europeans are bad for stopping the humane human sacrifices.


85 posted on 12/06/2006 9:33:55 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: freedomdefender
from the article: Although a few Mayan murals do illustrate the capture and even torture of prisoners, none depicts decapitation. "That is wrong. It's just plain wrong,"

His statement is just plain BS, I've been to the Mayan sites and the carvings clearly show people getting their heads cut off...blood was shown spewing forth represented by snakes.

89 posted on 12/06/2006 9:49:11 AM PST by gdc314
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In sacrifice, he adds, the people are becoming like gods. Based on the trailer, Carrasco believes that Gibson has made the Maya into "Slashers," and their society a "Hypermasculine fantasy."

I just notied this last statement. Isn't this fellow aware that human sacrifices tend to take place in societies that worship goddesses?

90 posted on 12/06/2006 9:58:05 AM PST by chesley (Liberals....what's not to loathe.)
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To: freedomdefender

I'm looking forward to seeing Gibson's film. I'll be in the theater this weekend.


91 posted on 12/06/2006 10:05:14 AM PST by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: freedomdefender

I think waht Mel is doing is exposing this culture to the light of day. And it doesn't look good. I expect to see him do the same with other cultures that have been PC'd into nice guys when in fact, they were awful people.

That is my take on it. This is a destruction of PC.


95 posted on 12/06/2006 10:49:15 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (DE)
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OK, so Apocalypto has a lot of blood and gore, which is part of the Mayan worldview, but it is directed by Mel Gibson, who makes that worldview look negative, so it's bad. However, Pulp Fiction also has a lot of blood and gore, and there is no religious or worldview connotation to that violence, it's just gratuitious, but it is directed by Quentin Tarantino, so it is OK.

Sure, that makes sense, seeing that it's coming from Newsweak.

105 posted on 12/06/2006 12:02:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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Regardless of how the nay sayers paint it, the Maya used humans as a sacrifice to their 'gods'. Can't paint the picture in any other way unless you lie.


106 posted on 12/06/2006 12:02:11 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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