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When killer flu struck [ "Spanish Lady" flu, 1918 ]
News & Observer ^ | http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/514837.html | Jim Nesbitt, with contributions by David Raynor and Denise Jones

Posted on 11/29/2006 12:00:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv

With a fast-striking and deadly reach that spanned the globe, the worst influenza outbreak of the 20th century is more than a sepia-toned and horrific sidebar of history. It is also a harbinger for a future influenza disaster that medical researchers say is inevitable and long overdue, a grisly example of the worst nature has to offer... Mabel Allen Boyd was one of at least 13,703 North Carolinians killed by this hyper-lethal flu virus, a mutation that still baffles modern-day scientists. Eighty-eight years after her death, she is still the face of the Spanish flu pandemic for Leon Spencer, 101, who lives in the Whitaker Glen retirement community near Five Points in Raleigh... "I was kindly stunned because she was almost like a family member," said Spencer, who was 13 in that deadly fall of 1918... For almost every North Carolinian buried by this remorseless killer, there was a parent or orphan, a spouse or sibling -- a loved one left behind, stunned by immediate grief and saddled with the long-running guilt of a survivor.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: flu; ginakolata; godsgravesglyphs; health; healthcare; influenza; thespanishlady
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To: Coleus

The 1918 flu fatalities showed at least one of the symptoms as ebola fatalities, coughing up blood, from lung hemorrhages. Some of my older relatives remembered the events quite well (born in the 1890s) but none of them mentioned anyone they'd known dying of it. They lived in a rural area though.


21 posted on 11/29/2006 3:59:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jessarah

That doesn't sound familiar, but wouldn't explain how the flu was (like influenza each year) all over the world pretty much simultaneously. Flu is not host-dependent or whatever, it does jump from species to species. The reason we have vaccine in the US is that the strains are isolated from Chinese strains. If memory serves, in China the flu strains change by jumping from fowl, to pigs, to people, etc.


22 posted on 11/29/2006 4:14:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

My grandfather was in the Army in Newport News, preparing to ship out for WWI when he got the Spanish flu. The war was over by the time he got over it. Didn't I read where that was one of the reasons the war ended? So many soldiers were getting sick and also spreading the disease.


23 posted on 11/29/2006 6:22:14 PM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: djf
It occurred to me that it might be linked to metabolism somehow, because it got the men more than the women, as well as the young men more than the old.

My mother's father died of it when she was one. My grandmother said, "He had a sore throat and three days later he was dead."

Recently found out through the Internet that my father's father's brother also died of it. I got a query from someone about his grandfather, who died around 1920 or 1921. When I asked my father, he remembered: "He died of the flu."

24 posted on 11/29/2006 6:29:22 PM PST by firebrand
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To: SunkenCiv
FABULOUS book.

For some reason, Philadelphia was harder hit than any other American city. My mother's family is from Philadelphia, and several relatives died in that pandemic.

What is also strange about the 1918 flu is that younger people were hit hardest.

As for flu shots, they only work on the specific type of flu that the experts think is coming. You can still get other types of viruses, including other strains of influenza.

One thing to remember is that flu should not be taken lightly. Thousands of people still die from flu every year. Senior citizens and young children are considered to be high-risk, but people with respiratory problems (such as asthma) should get the shot too. I am high risk (I'm asthmatic) and I get a flu shot every year. I have not gotten a major flu since I started getting the shots.

25 posted on 11/29/2006 7:08:09 PM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: SunkenCiv
This This article tells about it starting in Kansas.


Also discussed on Wikipedia here under "Research". What you are saying makes much more sense, and it seems like they are finding it came from fowl. I am betting it was first reported at Ft. Riley, KS, but was actually appearing at the same time all over the globe.

26 posted on 11/29/2006 7:19:28 PM PST by Jessarah
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To: Jessarah

Thanks! [singing] I'm goin' to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come...


27 posted on 11/29/2006 10:10:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: kellynch
Thousands of people still die from flu every year.
Yeah, that's very true. With our artificial immunities through vaccinations, and the marvey medications, we take a lot of things for granted that were definitely not to be taken lightly just a few generations ago.
28 posted on 11/29/2006 10:12:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TX Bluebonnet

That could be, but the main reason was sheer exhaustion of the German side. After Lenin was smuggled into Russia and a separate peace was concluded, the Germans were able to bring a great deal of force from their eastern front to bear against the struggling western allies. The addition of US troops under the brilliant leadership of "Blackjack" Pershing was just enough to tip the balance.


29 posted on 11/29/2006 10:15:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: djf

Do you know if people who actually came down with this flu ever lived?


30 posted on 11/30/2006 12:37:31 AM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: kellynch
When I was a child I and friends came down with the flu every so often. It was not fun but far from deadly. I wonder if this didn't build up our immunity system.
31 posted on 11/30/2006 12:42:49 AM PST by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: wolfcreek
How did this flu manage to spread across the world? Was it at least partially due to veterans returning from the war.

I heard it was the other way around, that the flu was a major cause of the Armistice in that both sides were running out of able bodied combatants.

In any event, my wife's grandfather was one of the victims. Died at the age of 42... typical of the early age at which most victims died.

32 posted on 11/30/2006 1:13:08 AM PST by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: firebrand

One of the explanations as to why the Spanish flu hit the young and healthy is the phenomenon called a "cytokine storm" where a robust immune system is actually overstimulated and damages organs. Older folks with weaker immune systems are not as affected. You can read about it here: http://www.fluwikie.com/pmwiki.php?n=Science.PrimerCytokineStorm


33 posted on 11/30/2006 1:18:55 AM PST by marsh2
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To: Bellflower
The Spanish flu that came out in 1918 was more than just "a" flu. Periodically, one of these horrible strains comes out and people's lives are in danger. And flu really should not be taken lightly. If you have some aches and pains and a low-grade fever, that could be "a" flu, but it's not necessarily "the" flu. Not all influenza strains are killers, but some are. That's how my doctor explained it to me.

Check out some of the books on the 1918 flu. They're fascinating. Here is a link to an interesting site at Stanford about the 1918 flu: http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/uda/

34 posted on 11/30/2006 4:06:32 AM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: firebrand

The reason it affects healthier people and is so deadly appears to be because of cytokine cascade effect: http://www.cytokinestorm.com/


35 posted on 11/30/2006 10:35:59 AM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue

Thank you.


36 posted on 11/30/2006 12:48:09 PM PST by firebrand
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