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Madonna rejected ‘genuine’ orphans
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 11/06/06 | Steven Swinford and Mabvuto Banda

Posted on 11/05/2006 5:15:17 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 11/05/2006 5:15:18 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if after Madonna milks this for all the publicity she can, the kid is quietly returned to his father.


2 posted on 11/05/2006 5:17:22 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: Pokey78

What is your opinion on this? There are so many conflicting reports that it is hard to tell what is the actual case.


3 posted on 11/05/2006 5:18:21 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The EU is opposed to Saddam Hussein's death sentence.)
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To: Pokey78

My feelings are, who cares? The child was in desperate need and in an orphanage, and someone wants to adopt him. I personally don't like Madonna, but if she wants to adopt this child, more power to her.


4 posted on 11/05/2006 5:20:08 PM PST by Old Lady
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Why not adopt the entire family and let him live in comfort with them? She can afford it.


5 posted on 11/05/2006 5:23:11 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: proudofthesouth
Madonna, and her obsessive attempts to "re-invent" herself, ad naseaum, makes me ill.

Sorry, but her accent du jour is as transparent as her motives. Why not adopt a child in our country that made her a gizillionaire?
6 posted on 11/05/2006 5:26:42 PM PST by LisaMalia (GO BUCKEYES!)
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Can anyone explain to me why a parent puts a kid of theirs in an orphanage ?

I understand that he needed a wet nurse at first but then after that take care of your kids.

I guess my question goes beyond this particular story. Why do Dads/Moms do this ?

I've seen it done and I just can't get my head around it.


7 posted on 11/05/2006 5:26:48 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: proudofthesouth
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if after Madonna milks this for all the publicity she can, the kid is quietly returned to his father.

Bingo! What made me suspicious was that she (Madonna) started thing shortly after it was clear Angela Jolei(sp??) was getting pretty good PR traction out of her carefully orchestrated African adoptions.

8 posted on 11/05/2006 5:31:55 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: festus
You haven't seen abject poverty like they have in the Third World. Even the conditions in the "orphanages" (at least one meal a day and a roof to sleep under) look better than what destitute parents in Malawi and elsewhere have to offer. Many kids in 3rd world orphanages are not orphans they are abandoned or relinquished for what families tell the authorities will be temporary stays, and this is acceptable in those cultures (which would look with horror on our own culture of abortion at the mother's whim up to the 9th month).

3rd world "orphanages" exist to provide what some destitute parents desperately hope will be temporary care, the same support that American foster care provides to hundreds of thousands of kids.
9 posted on 11/05/2006 5:34:35 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Old Lady
The child was in desperate need and in an orphanage, and someone wants to adopt him.

The article states that David's mother died several days after giving birth to him. Think about this - in a third world African country that doesn't have supermarkets on every corner selling baby formula (and hospitals are few and VERY far between), how is a father with a newborn supposed to feed his child?

Two ladies (RNs) from our church went on a short term mission trip to Mali a few months ago. They visited one such orphanage, and there learned that most often these kids are dropped off because their mother has died (or is incapacitated in some way) and the family can't feed them. At these homes, there are surrogate moms who nurse the babies. The families visit and then when the child is weaned a couple years later, the family comes back for him and takes him home.

I think it's entirely plausible that David's father did not want to give him up and saw the orphanage as a temporary solution to his problem, as do many African parents in his situation.

10 posted on 11/05/2006 5:36:50 PM PST by agrace (http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/agrace/)
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The adoption process began earlier this year when the Malawian government drew up a shortlist of 12 one-year-old boys for Madonna to choose from. David was not one of them.

Rock Stars...They never order from the menu.

11 posted on 11/05/2006 5:38:31 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (...a urethral syringe used to treat syphilis with mercury.)
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f,
the answer here is that his wife died at birth, he has to work in the fields all day. Per capita income in Malawi is $160 ANNUALLY. He has few choices. He did all he could.


12 posted on 11/05/2006 6:10:41 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: LisaMalia

On one of the tv shows, I forget which one it was said she was looking to adopt in the USA but that Angelina & Brad talked her into checking out African babies. Not sure if its true. I don't care for her myself but she is giving money to orphanages in this country. She has an interest in this country so I think that because she is giving money and spending time there the rules were bent for her. I have heard so many different stories that I don't know what to believe. The little boy has more of a chance with her then left in the orphanage I suppose and he was sick so maybe he is going to well taken care of by her. I am more concerned that adopting these children is the new Hollywood "In Thing" to do.


13 posted on 11/05/2006 6:17:01 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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Madonna's weirdness aside, she named her American-born children Lordus (sp?) and Rocco and names this kid from Africa, David.

Yeah, this is a woman with her head on right.

14 posted on 11/05/2006 6:28:02 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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She has an interest in this country so I think that because she is giving money and spending time there the rules were bent for her.

Wrong. She despises the U.S., President Bush and our troops. She is a trader.

15 posted on 11/05/2006 6:30:28 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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My apologies, I thought when you typed this country you were speaking of America.

Sorry.

I still stand behind what I posted.

16 posted on 11/05/2006 6:33:01 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
There are so many conflicting reports that it is hard to tell what is the actual case.

Do you think any of these people would lie for financial gain? Hard to believe. /s

17 posted on 11/05/2006 6:51:07 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: MotleyGirl70

Yeah, this is a woman with her head on right.

I totally agree with you, I don't like Madonna . I believe the boy was already named David, it wouldn't surprise me if she changed it to something else. My main issue is that I really wonder if these Hollywood people are adopting for the right reasons or if its just the new thing to do. If thats the case they shouldn't be adopting. A child is a lifetime commitment.


18 posted on 11/05/2006 7:14:29 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: Old Lady

Actually, it does matter.
You see, children are put up for adoption for THEIR sake, not to please an overaged rock star.

In poor African villages, the children are loved by extended families. However, if a mother dies in childbirth or while the child is young, there is no milk and they can't afford formula, so if there is no mother with extra milk to feed the kid, the family will drop it at an orphanage so it won't die of malnutrition.

However, when the child is weaned (at age 3 or 4) and is over the danger period of dying, and can eat meat and solid food, then often the family takes them home.

When I was in Africa, the nuns found that kids raised in orphanages did a lot better if family kept in touch and then took them home.

Foreign adoption is the third choice for such kids. (first is family, second is in country adoption, third is out of country adoption).

Children who have family often still have issues of abandonment (For example, my kids had no parents,but did have an uncle who abused them which is why they were taken away from that uncle. I arranged the visit and reconcilliation because the uncle had found the Lord and stopped drinking...it helped with my son's despair that he was unlovable because the uncle didn't want him)...

It may not be "logical" that a child would resent living in a rich home, but love is more important. And how do you think the kid will feel when he is a teenager and finds he was adopted as a publicity stunt?

Now, do you think a child is better off in an extended family who loves him, or with a narcissitic rock star who will let nannies raise him and will only "care" for him when the press is looking?

I mean, she didn't even stay in the country to make sure he could be adopted. She skedaddled home and let him "come home" with the hired help.


19 posted on 11/06/2006 3:16:29 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

For the love of all things Holy, will someone call a spade a spade and stop pretending that this woman has not exploited a child, its family, its country, and its heritage, to keep her ugly mug in front of the camera? Its disgusting. she is disgusting, her supporters in this....disgusting!

Fine! I'll say it! VADGE you disgusting media whore! You have exploited this child for your own shameless self promotion and needy attention seeking! You are a filthy ingrate!


Its a human being, not the latest fashion accessory.


20 posted on 11/07/2006 11:10:22 AM PST by beansox
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