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Windows Vista Beta 2 Plagued by Bugs
TopTechNews ^ | August 21, 2006 9:55AM

Posted on 08/23/2006 8:36:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker

"I have been testing Microsoft operating systems since Windows 95, and this is the buggiest OS I've seen this late in development," says Joe Wilcox, an analyst with Jupiter Research. "Look at the older operating systems, and by Beta 2 there is a stable foundation on which the [independent software vendors] can build. Right now, Vista is like a ship on stormy seas."

What began as a murmur a few months back is turning into an audible grumble, as beta testers and experts question the stability of the latest Windows Vista beta and Microsoft itself hints at yet another release delay. Testers and pundits alike say Vista Beta 2, released publicly in June, is plagued by bugs and blue screens. Some testers are saying a Beta 3 cycle, which is not planned, may be needed and that the software isn't ready for final testing before shipment, which Microsoft calls Release Candidate 1 (RC1).

Microsoft said two weeks ago that RC1 of Vista would ship before the end of September.

The final release of Vista for corporate customers now is targeted for November. Microsoft's Kevin Johnson, the co-president of the platform and services division, told financial analysts in late July, however, that while Vista is on schedule the code would not ship until it was ready.

With the current timeline, Microsoft would have a bit more than a month to collect and incorporate testers' feedback from RC1 and finalize the code before shipment.

"I have been testing Microsoft operating systems since Windows 95, and this is the buggiest OS I've seen this late in development," says Joe Wilcox, an analyst with Jupiter Research. "Look at the older operating systems, and by Beta 2 there is a stable foundation on which the [independent software vendors] can build. Right now, Vista is like a ship on stormy seas."

One ISV that asked not to be named says a private beta it is working with that shipped after Vista Beta 2 is more stable but is still a memory hog. "The memory consumption has been reduced from a gig to 700MB, which is about three times what XP requires. It is probably going to come down, but it is a big beast," the ISV says.

The ISV says its customers have said they will wait at least a year to adopt the new operating system.

A survey of 207 companies released by Jupiter Research last week shows that nearly 50% of these 100-plus-employee outfits will wait at least 13 months after release to deploy Vista -- or won't deploy it at all.

Microsoft's traditional advocates also are questioning the viability of the software and its release schedule. Robert McLaws, a popular blogger and a Microsoft MVP (non-employees who offer expert analysis on products), said in his blog entry titled "The entry I didn't want to write," "Beta 2 was a disappointment on many levels. It was nowhere near as stable as it should have been." McLaws says pushing the launch back four to six weeks with a release in February, adding another beta cycle and coming clean publicly with the new delay may be the best solution for producing "the best version of Windows ever."

He wasn't the only one with stern advice for Microsoft. Former Microsoft blogger advocate Robert Scoble used his blog to say, "This sucker is just not ready It feels like it needs a good six more months, . . . which would mean a mid-year release next year."

After five years between major client operating system releases, Microsoft needs a home run, experts say.

"It's ready when it's ready, but it better be good when it's ready or there'll be hell to pay," says Tom Henderson, principal researcher for ExtremeLabs and a member of the Network World Lab Alliance. He says there are a lot of issues with the code floating around among testers.

Others see additional red flags.

"Put the testing aside, I can't find a valid antivirus software that works with it," says Michael Cherry, an analyst with research firm Directions on Microsoft. "That is a key application and runs at a core level. If the antivirus vendors, who work closely with Microsoft, can't get Vista working, then the core is not stable."

Cherry says it might be time to reset expectations because an operating system no longer should be a groundbreaking piece of technology.

"I am impressed with Apple OS and I like the way over the last couple of releases they have made a series of incremental improvements. It has not been earth-shattering," he says.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: embracethepenguin; lowqualitycrap; microsoft; vaporware; vista; windows
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To: staytrue

This was almost as funny as the idiot with the penis pump at the airport who told security it was a bomb.

That one was less obvious though.


21 posted on 08/24/2006 12:27:37 AM PDT by volunbeer
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

22 posted on 08/24/2006 5:15:35 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Swordmaker

When I upgrade my computers it will likely be to OSX capable machines.

No plans on running Vista.


23 posted on 08/24/2006 5:22:10 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: BigSkyFreeper
It's BETA for cryin' out loud. Naturally beta versions are going to have bugs.

Shhhhhh!!! You'll spoil everyone's MS-bashing fun. Including those who aren't familiar with the Beta testing concept.

24 posted on 08/24/2006 5:30:22 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Swordmaker
I installed Vista beta 2 last week just to check it out. I installed it on a p4 3.4GHz machine with 1GB of ram and it would barely run. It was so slow I had to click on a menu and wait on most things. The layout isn't bad, but it will be a bit of a learning curve for most users of Windows.

The visual style and layout of the OS reminded me allot of KDE in the Linux world. I'll stop short of suggesting they ripped off KDE, but the resemblance is striking.
25 posted on 08/24/2006 6:59:31 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: BigSkyFreeper
It's BETA for cryin' out loud. Naturally beta versions are going to have bugs.

At this stage of its development, it shouldn't have many. They are allegedly getting ready for the release candidate. If this beta is as bad as many are saying, they need another before they release the RC.

26 posted on 08/24/2006 7:20:46 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: BigSkyFreeper

You're still missing the point. By Beta phase II the base of the OS HAS to be stable.

It's not. This is the final beta before release and it should not be having these difficulties.


27 posted on 08/24/2006 7:24:22 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Its in its final beta and the RC1 candidate is due out in less than two weeks...

Maybe if MS was not so busy with the x-box, trying to take on google, mp3 players, and other crap they would be able to turn out a stable rc candidate within a half decade..
28 posted on 08/24/2006 7:28:21 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: relictele
1) There are allot of pro Microsoft guys saying that this is a problem. These are experienced beta testers for Microsoft, not some guys chatting on a random Internet forum.

2) If you're releasing a major application / OS you *better* have it pretty much nailed within 6 months of release. Small bugs here and there are fine but when the vendors who are trying to develop software for the platform are, due to core stability, unable to release application there is a big problem.
29 posted on 08/24/2006 7:33:55 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: KoRn
If Vista is such a terrible memory hog and Windows is much more subject to malware (Is Windows inherently more vulnerable to malware attacks than OS X?), and gives you untold grief if you have to reinstall a hard drive (need to purchase a new OS disc, OEM disk not allowed) and further if OS X will run all my Windows programs, I will seriously consider moving to Apple and OS X for my next upgrade.
30 posted on 08/24/2006 7:34:26 AM PDT by CedarDave (RIP: Coast Guard Lt. Jessica Hill & PO 2nd Class Steven Duque, died in LOD in Arctic service 8/17)
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To: N3WBI3

My brother works for them. Will he be purchasing a copy of Vista anytime soon? Nope.


31 posted on 08/24/2006 1:03:33 PM PDT by publana (yes, I checked the preview box without previewing)
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