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Origin Of The Celts - Caucasian, Not European
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Posted on 08/20/2006 5:01:46 PM PDT by blam

Origin of the Celts - Caucasian, not European

The Celts are Circaesir from Circaesya, who lived on the Sea of Grass in what is now west Kazakhstan until late in the second millennium B.C. They were by their own definition a linguistic group, but now they are a culture. Contrary to popular belief, they had nothing to do with European inhabitants known to archaeologists as the 'Beaker folk' and 'Battle Axe people'. The 'Urnfield people' farther east were Circaesir, and obviously related to the Celts. Their descendants integrated with Celts in central Europe.

Tradition suggests that the Celts left the Sea of Grass in a dispute with the Scythian confederacy, of which they seem to have been members. It seems the Scythians threw their weight around a little too much with their allies. They would take over the Cimmerians living in what is now the Ukraine, but shortly after the middle of the first millennium they would get their comeuppance. Sarmatians from the southeast would invade, possibly supported by disgruntled members of the confederacy.

By this time Celts had dominated central Europe for several centuries. They had immediately become powerful there, in lands occupied by the Faan (see 'Arthur'), for they were a warrior people and the Faan were gentle. They were more powerful than the Circaesir who already lived there, and they could have defeated the Germanics moving south from Scandinavia. It has long been a mystery why the latter took over from them. It is likely that the Germanics from Scandinavia clashed with the Faan, who assumed that the Celts were in on the attack. The Faan did not mind being dominated, but extermination was another matter. I believe that the Celts of central Europe moved south and west because they had no intention of fighting someone else's war.

By the time the Roman Empire was expanding, the Celts were most concentrated in what is now France. They may have been the catalyst to the Roman Empire, because at the beginning of the fourth century B.C. they had (1) sacked Rome, (2) pulled on the Senators' beards and (3) left without suspecting they had just made an enemy that would one day destroy them.

The name 'Celt' is a misnomer, by the way, but it has stuck and I will continue to use it. 'Keltoi' was a Greek word meaning 'uncivilized' and it referred to an Alpine people who may have been related to central Asians. Probably Celts came in contact with these people during their stay in central Europe, and accidentally became confused with them. It is also likely that they integrated with them. The proper name for the Celts may be 'Gaedheals'. Certainly the Gaels, a people of the same kind who took the Mediterranean route out of Circaesya, were descended from a man named Gaedheal Glas, son of Agnoman, who was in turn descended from Magog, son of Japheth. But people from the entire cultural group are now referred to as Celts, and there's no going back. Throughout their history the Chaldees, Faan, Athenians, Volsungrs and Germanic Vikings who joined the Gaedheals have been referred to inclusively as Celts, which creates quite a confusion for historians trying to trace the origin of the Gaedheals themselves.

There were many Circaesir cultural groups, of which the Celts were only one. They were all military in character, for Circaesya was a war zone. I will explain why. About fifteen thousand years ago, a huge migration began out of the prairie which is now the Sahara desert. People we would now describe as Oriental may have been pushed out of the Middle East by the exodus behind them. They moved northeast until some of them turned south into China, displacing the people who had been living there and pushing them south to join relatives in Melanesia, Papua/New Guinea and Australia. Groups preceding and following the Orientals pushed on to North America, and the groups behind remained in Siberia and Mongolia.

Behind these groups were the Aesir. These people had features in common with those who had gone before them, but they must have been a different branch of the family tree because they had light hair and eyes. They settled on the steppes of central Asia, and the entire continent has been named after their land, Aesya. After the Aesir came the Circaesir, who remained to the southwest of Aesya, spreading outward in both directions as an alternative to moving on in a train that was becoming very uncomfortable indeed. The name 'Circaesya' may not have originally referred to this area as a whole. (There exists a theory that it was derived from 'Zirghizia', one of its regions.) However, the term came to apply to the lands between Aesya and Arabaya.

A tidal wave shortly before 3000 B.C. desertified the north African plain where the ancestors of the Circaesir had once lived. On one side of Circaesya, Aesya would not support more people, and on the other the Arab nations were pushing to leave the desert. The Circaesir put a sock in the largest ever human migration, and Circaesya became a war zone as its nations fought for their land.

The Celts were only one of the many nations living in Circaesya. They were in the hottest area of conflict, the Sea of Grass (the plains of the Ukraine and Kazakhstan) directly along the migratory route. Just south of them the people of the Iranian plateau also felt the pressure. For thousands of years life had been easier for those Circaesir to the northwest who had spread along the Danube. While their relatives on the Sea of Grass had retained the pastoral life, the Danubians had learned agriculture. But during the second millennium B.C. they too felt the pressure of overpopulation. Many of them moved south to the Mediterranean, conquering the Mesopotamian cultures there (predominantly Hamite), and becoming profoundly affected by them.

Meanwhile on the Sea of Grass life had been tough. Around 4000 B.C. a large number of Circaesir descended from Gomer, son of Japheth, moved north into an area called Vanya (now western Russia). At an early date (definitely more than ten thousand years ago) the people of Vanya –called the Vanir, precursors to modern Finns– had fought the Aesir to a stalemate and had made a truce, agreeing that they would live west of the Don River in Vanya if the Aesir would confine Aesya to the land east of the Don River. When the Circaesir descended from Gomer arrived in Vanya thousands of years later, they took over the area and developed a culture distinct and separate from anything in Circaesya. They became Germanic, and not to be confused with the Circaesir despite the physical resemblance. A group of Aesir called Volsungrs had already moved north and west into Scandinavia. Late in the fourth millennium they clashed with Germanics who were moving in on them from Vanya.

Some people of the same type as the Germanics remained Circaesir. They called themselves Aryans, and they lived on the Sea of Grass to the east of the Celts, in a land which they called Aryan-vej (now east Kazakhstan). The Kazakhs are a Turkic people (neighbours of the Mongols) who moved in on them. The Aryan-vej which they took over is not to be confused with the otherworldly home of the Aria, feathered Creatures of Light who rule over reptilian servants, for obviously the Aria are the Heavenly Host.

During the second millennium the Circaesir who called themselves Aryans were forced to move southwest against the migratory tide. They took over the Iranian plateau and conquered the Dravidian civilization of India. They may have called themselves Aryans because they worshipped the Aria. There is evidence that the Arian civilization of the Rig Veda had different customs and vastly predated their arrival in India. In any case, the Circaesir who arrived in India circa 1500 B.C. called themselves Aryans. Closely related to the Germanics of the north and to the Achaeans of Greece, they referred to their ancestor Japheth as 'Djapatischta'. Unlike those who moved into Persia, they converted from worship of the Heavenly Host to worship of the fallen angels, and became corrupted.

I have mentioned only a few of the Circaesir in this article. They had the same strong build, medium height and small features, but their colouring varied greatly. Their warlike history made them a dominant type, but they were expert at preventing conflict and did not destroy cultures that cooperated with them. Unfortunately they had no mechanism for halting a war in mid-course. This was because when they were living by their own laws, if their sophisticated negotiating skills could not prevent a war then there was no alternative. It must be remembered that in many countries they proved beneficial to the people they conquered, for the Circaesir protected their own.


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1 posted on 08/20/2006 5:01:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 08/20/2006 5:02:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
fascinating history of migration driven by weather.

Tidal wave dessertified egypt?

3 posted on 08/20/2006 5:12:58 PM PDT by patton (LGOPs = head toward the noise, kill anyone not dressed like you.)
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To: patton; Candor7
You may find this an intersesting companion article:

On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang

4 posted on 08/20/2006 5:21:01 PM PDT by blam
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Thanks Blam.

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5 posted on 08/20/2006 8:44:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
Found this:

An Introduction to Celtic History

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Seemed like a nice quick tutorial....but I know little about the Celts.

6 posted on 08/20/2006 9:42:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They spend more time than most tossing the caber, if you know what I mean. ;')


7 posted on 08/20/2006 10:03:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well, i didn't but ,...thanks to Google:

tossing the caber

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The caber is a pole about 18 feet long weighing about 115 pounds. The athlete holds the caber upright, grasping it by its thin end, and throws it so that it lands on its heavy end and flips over. The throw is not judged on distance, but direction. If the thrower is imagined to stand at the center of a clock with 6 at his back, the thin end ideally falls at a 12 o'clock position.


8 posted on 08/20/2006 10:17:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"about 18 feet long weighing about 115 pounds"

Which explains why this isn't in the Olympics next to the hackysack competition or the hatchet throw. ;')


9 posted on 08/20/2006 10:21:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach


The great moose caper caber has been solved--rimshot.
10 posted on 08/20/2006 10:52:18 PM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sully777

Unreal!


11 posted on 08/20/2006 11:36:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: SunkenCiv
You also see that thing with the round stones and, as I'd heard it, they are graded by weight and nobody in Scotland had ever gotten the heaviest one off the ground a single inch. And then Bill Kazmaier just walked up to the thing and picked it up:


12 posted on 08/21/2006 1:50:33 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: blam
Uhmmmm.... This doesn't sound like legitimate science to me. Did this person just make things up?

The Aryan-vej which they took over is not to be confused with the otherworldly home of the Aria, feathered Creatures of Light who rule over reptilian servants, for obviously the Aria are the Heavenly Host.

I'm was going to ask for his sources, but this sounds like it's straight out of the Church of Scientology. Maybe his source is L. Ron Hubbard?

13 posted on 08/21/2006 4:26:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: blam

THis fellow doesn't cite any sources, and his writing seems speculative (at best) to me. Who is the author, and what are his qualifications?


14 posted on 08/21/2006 4:29:03 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Alas Babylon!

i was wondering the same thing. there is far too much detailed political information which afaik simply does not exist for this time frame in this part of the world. he states as fact things which we only have the archeological record to go by.

reads more like historical fiction at best.


15 posted on 08/21/2006 5:11:38 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Alas Babylon!
I'm was going to ask for his sources, but this sounds like it's straight out of the Church of Scientology. Maybe his source is L. Ron Hubbard?

Actually it reads more like Mormon influenced thought.

If it were scientologist there would have been a mention of Xenu and volcanos and thetans and stuff like that. After all, we are really just extraterrestrials who've been trapped here and we get programmed (implanted?) between each life to keep us under control on this planet. < /scientologist delusion mode>

16 posted on 08/21/2006 6:09:14 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Alas Babylon!
Did this person just make things up?

from the article: "I believe that the Celts of central Europe moved south and west because they had no intention of fighting someone else's war."

Well, he certainly made this one up.

17 posted on 08/21/2006 6:32:05 AM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: blam
A tidal wave shortly before 3000 B.C. desertified the north African plain...

Say what?

18 posted on 08/21/2006 6:33:26 AM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: blam
I recently helped a doctoral candidate in Kazakhstan translate her thesis on Kazakhstani myths and ehtology into English. No Celt connection whatsoever in her data. I did meet one Scot oil worker in Almaty once, however.


If the Kazakhi steppe can be referred to as a 'sea of grass', than New Mexico is a verdant pasture.
19 posted on 08/21/2006 6:50:05 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: tomzz

The resemblance between Celts and Kazakhs is remarkable!
20 posted on 08/21/2006 7:03:34 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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