Posted on 08/19/2006 6:39:43 AM PDT by RaceBannon
Show links Darwin, Hitler ideologies Holocaust was fallout of evolution theory, says new production
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 19, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Charles Darwin should share with Hitler the blame for the 11 million or more lives lost in the Holocaust, a new television special explains. And, the program says, the more than 45 million American lives lost to abortion also can be blamed on that famous founder of evolutionary theory.
The results of Darwin’s theories
"This show basically is about the social effects of Darwinism, and shows this idea, which is scientifically bankrupt, has probably been responsible for more bloodshed than anything else in the history of humanity," Jerry Newcomb, one of two co-producers, told WorldNetDaily.
This thread is over the top even by crevo standards. I've never been called a Jew-hater before - pretty hilarous, given my long-standing support of Israel. But to this crowd, any questioning of their long-winded small-minded premises equates to hate.
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I do agree that "strength" can be found in unlooked for places, and measured in many ways.
The human being is a prime example, small in relative physical strength, but endowed with enough brain power to overcome the entire animal kingdom. So far, anyway.
Pot meet Kettle!
Pray for W and Our Troops
Sure they did, but it wasn't a valid excuse at all, since the theory of evolution is not a system of morality. And they did not exercise their gift - having a conscience and having the ability to differentiate right from wrong.
If life in nature is unjust, it is our responsibility to overcome the unjustice, not perpetuate it and exaggerate it, as the Nazis did.
Leave your mother out of this.
No, it is not... morality and all of the associated ideals rest entirely on the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior...
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If life in nature is unjust, it is our responsibility to overcome the unjustice, not perpetuate it and exaggerate it, as the Nazis did.
Thus, the evolutionists are on the same path as the National Socialists, both are/were at war with what Moses wrote in Genesis.
The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses (who was not a Christian).
I simply question the entire illogical premise of evolutionary theory... that life originated from this planet... all I get is the religious Darwinian zealots spewing their hatred for Christians... seems rather Fascist if you ask me...
You have an Oedipus complex...
Dogmatic Darwinists can cobble up every kind of link when it comes to their fanciful rendition of history. But talk about ideas and social consquences and the links suddenly evaporate.
Back later. But no.
One might deduce, from your fascination with homosexuality, that you have an Electra Complex.
You offered, "In most of the industrialised world evolution is the dominant explanation for life." Evolution is not the explanation for life ... and what a 'leap of faith' you exhibit by making such an assertion! Evolution is the explanation for how life develops, changes organismal groups, and deals with complexity through adaptation. If you want to address abiogenesis, well, that's a different notion altogether.
Well, the Holocaust could only be the natural course of events, with natural selection just doing its thing. No need to attach such unscientific notions as love and hate into the course of biological history, human or otherwise, since these, too, are just byproducts of unguided, unintelligently undesigned processes. /s
You offered, "Survival of the fittest" (TTW - Top Thugs Win)...". Sorry, you just mischaracterized the concept of survival of the fittest. As a Chrisitan and fan of the astonishing work of Charles Darwin, I'll take immediate issue with such purposeful foolishness. The concept of 'survival of the fittest' is well founded in evidence from nature and it has zero to do with 'top thug wins'. You see, one of the brilliant aspects in Darwin's theory states that survival is what happens if an organism and its offspring are well adapted to the environmental conditions. While mammals were the little shrew-like animals running about at dionosaur feet, the dinosaurs were the top thugs on the block. Mammals had nothing to do with the extinction of dinosaurs, they were just better adapted to the environment in which the dionsaurs became extinct, so they (mammals) survived as one of the fittest to the conditions at hand. When you slander a brilliant discovery of a man, you slander the man. Don't make such an public fool of yourself.
And I shall post back what I posted sometime ago:
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That's interesting; that perfectly explains why he formulated his ideas before the release of "On the Origin of Species." It also explains why Lenin and crew employed Lysenkoism, a form of Lamarckian evolution, in place of Darwinian evolution and thus ruined Russian agriculture for years to come. It also explains how ridiculous it is to make an argument using guilt by association. Let's see the popular Reductio ad Hitlerum/Nazium argument:
Person A argues for proposition B
Person C shows that proposition B was favored by Hitler/Nazis (I guess we'll have to include Commies as well)
Thus, proposition B is false.
Let's substitute "evolution" for proposition B:
Person A argues for evolution
Person C shows that evolution was favored by Hitler/Nazis/Commies
Thus, evolution is false.
Do you see how stupid the reasoning is? Let's try "vegetarianism."
Person A argues for vegetarianism
Person C shows that vegetarianism was favored by Hitler/Nazis/Commies (In this case, Hitler)
Thus, vegetarianism is false
Guilt by association shows nothing. Is gravity false because people die when they fall off high-rise buildings? Is germ theory false because people die from diseases and because of chemical warfare? Is atomic theory false because of the bomb?
But, you know what's funny? Darwin never supported Social Darwinism and he distanced himself from it. The people you should really blame are Herbert Spencer, a fair bit of Thomas Malthus, ancient Spartan ideology of infantcide, Plato with his selective breeding of children, Franicis Galton, and others.
But you know what's really funny? It wasn't evolution that guided Hitler's footsteps, if anything, it was his perverted form of Catholicism. Forgotten "Gott Min Us?" [sic] It's funny how creationists assert that evolution is atheistic. Let's look at this logically:
Evolution is atheistic (Assumed for the sake of argument)
Hitler supported evolution to use in his fascist regime. (I'll accept that for the sake of argument)
Hitler was Catholic. Hitler used Catholicism to fuel his fascist regime. (This is actually historically correct)
If evolution is atheistic, and Hitler was a rabid Catholic that cut down anything not-Christian, why would support evolution? Methinks that creationists need to make up their minds.
Of course, it was Christianity that Hitler used, not evolution:
http://www.creationtheory.org/Essays/index.php?page=Hitler
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/nazis.htm
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/darwin_nazism.htm
But, of course, what else does one expect from the Discovery Institute. Like creationists they: a) quote-mine b) make use of the same arguments of "gaps in the theory" and even distort the current research c) try to shamelessly invoke Reductio ad Hitlerum arguments or Social Darwinism as if it somehow makes evolution false d) have religious motives apropos the Wedge Document e) they call biologists "Darwinists" instead of biologists.
In summary, the claim is worthless because a) it's irrelevant b) it's logically errant; guilt by association doesn't work and c) it's actually wrong.
NOTE: By creationists, I am referencing prominent IDers/creationists who have indeed been shown to quote mine, distort the research, use guilt by association fallacies, have religious not scientific motives, and call biologists Darwinists. I apologize if you take offense to it."
I noticed my sloppy use of the word "life" immediately after I'd posted. But you can't edit your own posts on FR. I agree that evolution and abiogenesis aren't the same subject, and that I should have used the word "species" not "life".
I don't know about you, but I'm getting really tired of these oblique pseudo-sceintific threads trashing Darwin. The discussions always degenerate into food fights between factions. It would be tolerable discussion if the basics regarding evolution and perhaps Biblical references to creation were discussed with fervor but in polite exchanges, but this constant ridicule and condescension from both sides is grating in the 'mein'.
The problem is, the well is poisoned from the start (IMHO) in this thread, because it starts with the fatuous proposition that the theory of evolution is to blame for the excesses of the 3rd Reich. I don't know how to respond to such absurd nonsense without coming across as condescending, because the combination of logical fallacies and historical ignorance required to support the proposition beggars belief. My failing perhaps. Maybe I shouldn't have posted anything at all, but then that would leave lurkers with the impression that Freepers buy this BS.
I don't see the argument being so much, "Look at what evolutionism causes, therefore it is false." The point is simply that evolutionism is used by some to justify eugenics, communism, abortion, etc.
But don't get preachy with me if your fundamental belief is that we are not intelligently designed and specially created by God. It places you totally out of your element and makes you evidence against the very ideas you espouse, namely that intelligent design is mystical, superstitious, relgious and unscientific. It is none of these, but is the very reason science has an intelligible universe to study, enjoy, and employ in the first place.
When he is accurately called out for his obvious non-sequiter Race runs. Care to come back and address the overwhelming smashing of your specious illogic, Race? Threader, your ad hominem attempts to shore up his already weak assertion fall flat.
The misinformed alway worship at the same altar of animus to G-d, in lieu of their proxy...themselves
Please provide proof that scientists are any less Christian than those who practice willful ignorance. I know for a fact many of the posters here on the side of science and logic are Christian (including me).
You can't make yourself better by tearing down others, hard as you may try.
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