Posted on 07/22/2006 10:43:33 PM PDT by numapompilius
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You've made it quite clear that you think the first and fourteenth amendments can be ignored. I'll ask again: When did you take your citizenship oath?
Considering the risks on the West Coast, some sort of mass uprising was the least of their worries.
Considering that no one was planning any sort of mass uprising, I'll say you're right.
Internment was to protect our war industry on the West Coast.
Because the best way to protect an industry is to ship tens of thousands of able-bodied adults of working age to remote desert internment camps.
BTW, there were internment camps in Hawaii.
True. About 2,500 people. Since over one-third of Hawai'i's population was of Japanese ancestry and the Islands still had strategic military value even after Pearl Harbor, it's clear that being Japanese in and of itself was not the threat you make it out to be.
I don't see the opposite on the MSM....
You mean "If it bleeds, it leads" MSM? Same thing. The difference between the MSM and Jihad Media is that the MSM doesn't focus on Bad Things That Muslims Might Be Doing Right Now! 24 hours a day. MEMRI does.
They don't seek to impose a theocratic government by the DIRECT COMMANDS OF THEIR SCRIPTURES.
And should we take this to mean that Muslim scriptures "command" believers to impoase theocracy? Chapter and verse, please.
Islam isn't a religion. It's an entirely temporal animal.
So all that stuff in teh Qur'an about the Antichrist and Jesus' Return and the Day of Judgement and Paradise and Eternal Damnation is, what, poetry?
It is their Islam that tells them to lie.
How's that?
Most just got along to get along. Kind of like those handful of "moderate Muslims".
Nazis existed within a rigidly defined political party -- they were fascists, after all. Muslims in America have as just about as much influence over bin Ladin than most of us do. Of course, since you're playing into bin Ladin's hands with your rhetoric of Islam vs. the World, you have more influence than the rest of us. You need to stop.
1) it's an abbreviation of the words in NASDP.
You mean NSDAP? How does Deutsche Arbeiterpartei fit in?
2) "NAZ" isn't all that pronounceable.
Maybe not for Nazis here, but it's pronounceable to Germans, who made up the bulk of Nazi party membership in the 1930s and 1940s.
3) nice to see you can use Google. I went from memory.
That's only something to be proud of when you're right.
The "authorities" let CAIR set policy and instruct FBI agents in "tolerance" and "Muslim sensibilities". The "authorities" are relentlessly PC.
So take it to the people. Make sure you've got your ducks in a row, most people don't tolerate fools for as long as we've put up with you on this thread.
Hardly, son. I despise the ideology that despises the West.
1) I'll ask you to stop one more time.
You are a declared enemy of religious freedom, individual rights, limited government, the social contract, and the rule of law. What does "The West" mean to you?
You just affirm my opinion of Islam if the "believers" are so easy to rouse to violence.
Not believers. Radical Islamists. There are quite a few of them, in case you haven't noticed. For someone who thinks that all Muslims are out to get us, you seem remarkably unconcerned with the large number of radical Islamists who do hate America.
Who is this "we"? Seems to me there are quite a few people who agree with me on this forum.
That's why it's called FreeRepublic, though. We go by what is right and legal. A group of wrongheaded bigots, even if briefly in the majority, cannot easily change the foundations of our country -- freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law.
"Considering that no one was planning any sort of mass uprising, I'll say you're right."
Sabotage was the fear. Large scale sabotage.
"Because the best way to protect an industry is to ship tens of thousands of able-bodied adults of working age to remote desert internment camps."
Considering many of those were not on our side, yes. Makes perfect sense. There were loyal Issei and Nissei and disloyal ones.
"Since over one-third of Hawai'i's population was of Japanese ancestry and the Islands still had strategic military value even after Pearl Harbor, it's clear that being Japanese in and of itself was not the threat you make it out to be."
The primary risk was to the war production regions on CONUS.
Many Hawaiian Japanese were shipped to west coast camps.
"And should we take this to mean that Muslim scriptures "command" believers to impoase theocracy? Chapter and verse, please."
Sura 9. Bukhari Hadiths. "Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated". I know you're never going to accept that your pet ideology is a threat, but it is.
"How's that?"
It's OK to lie to the infidel, according to Mohammad. Did you miss that in your Islam classes, or are you lying now?
"That's only something to be proud of when you're right."
You're proud of having to use a search engine? Oh, wow, you can TYPE!
"So all that stuff in teh Qur'an about the Antichrist and Jesus' Return and the Day of Judgement and Paradise and Eternal Damnation is, what, poetry?"
The paradise promised is entirely carnal. BTW, the "Jesus' Return" stuff has him coming back to kill all the Christians....
"For someone who thinks that all Muslims are out to get us, you seem remarkably unconcerned with the large number of radical Islamists who do hate America."
Oh, please. There is no disctinction between "Islamist" and "Muslim". The "Islamist" term is an entirely modern one.
"We go by what is right and legal. A group of wrongheaded bigots, even if briefly in the majority, cannot easily change the foundations of our country -- freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law."
Ah, but the Muslim anti-Kafir bigots are doing that quite handily using PC, aren't you?
And similarly, there are loyal Americans who call themselves conservative and there are disloyal ones. Should we expel all conservatives?
Sura 9. Bukhari Hadiths. "Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated".
Chapter and verse, please.
It's OK to lie to the infidel, according to Mohammad.
Chapter and verse, please.
The paradise promised is entirely carnal. BTW, the "Jesus' Return" stuff has him coming back to kill all the Christians....
Chapter and verse, please.
There is no disctinction between "Islamist" and "Muslim". The "Islamist" term is an entirely modern one.
Muslims follow the Islamic faith. Islamists strive for a theocracy ruled by a literalist (and theologically dubious) reading of the Qur'an. Their want what you want; The abolition of freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law; A society in which a person's faith is more important than a person's actions.
You're proud of having to use a search engine?
I was right, no?
Your so-called "conservatism" is diametrically opposed to religious freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law.
(1) 9:33, 48:28, 61:9 In fact, the very title of that section in the copy I usually use, Ali's, is "Islam will triumph in the word". That's IN the world. Not the next one.
The relavent passage: "He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions"
How is this different than John 14:6 (Christ's word being the religion of truth) and John 3:12 (Necessity of Christianity in this life)?
Bukhari:V5B59N369
Not "forward looking"
Bukhari:V7B67N427
Do you know what "expiate" means?
Qur’an 9:3
Not "forward looking". You quote Yusuf Ali's translation out of context to imply otherwise.
[9:3]And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Your citation is wrong. This is not in 66:1. In Yusuf Ali's translation, it reads:
66:1O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Bukhari:V4B52N268
War is deceit, although Sherman put it better: "War is Hell."
Sunnan Abu Dawud 37:4310
The text is:
Book 37, Number 4310
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
Nothing about killing Christians (we have already established that "swine" does not mean "Christians") and the part about breaking the cross obviously refers to the cross as the instrument of Christ's crucifixtion and a symbol of the struggle of the wicked to oppress the God-fearing and righteous.
That faith demands a literal reading of the Koran, as it is considered the direct word of Allah, versus the Christian understanding that the Bible is divinely-inspired.
This is a false assumption. It is borderline heresey to suggest that all of God's truths can be inferred from a single, surface reading of any text. See: Midrash, exegesis, etc. It is also false to assume that there are not millions of Christians who accepts literal readings of the Bible as God's word. See: Debates over Darwinian evolution.
No, Google was right.
I checked my spelling of the term in question. What do you have against proper spelling. Do words have any meaning to you?
You just cut-and-paste.
What chutzpah! Your textural evidence is lifted directly from prophetofdoom.net. Same translation, same choice of words from within passages, same order.
I tire of this
That much is clear.
We see Islam by its fruits.
And we see that your fruits are someone else's. Your battle against the Constituion involves lifting your "arguments" directly from prophetofdoom.net, without attribution. That's not conservative. That's plagiarism.
The fruits of your bigotry are intellectual dishonesty. Thankfully, they will not grow to include the treason you so desire.
"Your so-called "conservatism" is diametrically opposed to religious freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law."
So is Islam.
"What chutzpah! Your textural evidence is lifted directly from prophetofdoom.net. Same translation, same choice of words from within passages, same order.
BS.
"Nothing about killing Christians (we have already established that "swine" does not mean "Christians") and the part about breaking the cross obviously refers to the cross as the instrument of Christ's crucifixtion and a symbol of the struggle of the wicked to oppress the God-fearing and righteous."
It does? Why do imams teach otherwise? You obviously know more about Islam than those who teach it....
"What chutzpah! Your textural evidence is lifted directly from prophetofdoom.net. Same translation, same choice of words from within passages, same order."
Sorry, no. Wrong website.
"The fruits of your bigotry are intellectual dishonesty. Thankfully, they will not grow to include the treason you so desire."
I'm bigotted against all fascists - both Muslim and Nazi. That's called being a normal citizen of the west.
ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFUL. No intellectually honest person could look upon the history of its founding and founder and conclude otherwise. No intellectually honest person could look upon the actions of the Ummah in the present day and conclude otherwise. Again, Muslim, clean up your own house before you DARE question us.
Buh, bye.
Really? Because this is what you "wrote" in post #305:
Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”
... and so on.
For someone who considers the apostrophe in "Qur'an" to be a blameworthy "affectation," you sure like to use it. But wait, it's used in prophetofdoom.net (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4513):
Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’” Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.” Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.” Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”
Same spelling, same order, same translations, same nonstandard reference system for the Bukhari hadith. And then it lists some more that you did not have time to cut and paste.
It does? Why do imams teach otherwise? You obviously know more about Islam than those who teach it....
Who is teaching otherwise? If there are imams who preach otherwise, I would say that I do know more about Islam than them.
Sorry, no. Wrong website.
Which website did you cut and paste from, then?
ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFUL. No intellectually honest person could look upon the history of its founding and founder and conclude otherwise. No intellectually honest person could look upon the actions of the Ummah in the present day and conclude otherwise.
Sorry. You're not in a position to discuss intellectual honesty.
Tell that to the thousands of military who have been killed or maimed by terrorists since 9/11.
"For someone who considers the apostrophe in "Qur'an" to be a blameworthy "affectation," you sure like to use it. But wait, it's used in prophetofdoom.net (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4513):"
It's also used in many other websites that quote the Hadiths. Are you going to claim the Hadiths are copyrighted?
"And then it lists some more that you did not have time to cut and paste."
Actually, I used Ali Sina's website for quite a bit of that, but did not quote any original material.
Where do you cut and paste YOUR Koran quotations from?
"Who is teaching otherwise? If there are imams who preach otherwise, I would say that I do know more about Islam than them."
I'd suggest a websearch on Google with the following search terms. "Imam", "teach", "hate". Just to start with. So, you know more about Islam than most "clerics"? That includes some of the ancient leading lights of Muslim jurisprudence, you know.
"Sorry. You're not in a position to discuss intellectual honesty."
Coming from an apologist for Islam, that's no insult.
"Tell that to the thousands of military who have been killed or maimed by terrorists since 9/11."
Or to the civilians in Israel, the civilians in London, the civilians in Spain, the civilians in India, the attempts in CONUS that have been foiled, but would've killed many...
This is a big war. A World War.
There have been no attacks on the US mainland by terrorists.
Not what you said, but whatever.
And that needs to be amended to say "There have been no successful major attacks on the US mainland by terrorists".
You seem to have forgotten the Seattle incident of last week, the Virginia shooters, etc...etc.... Terrorist attacks, even though they didn't kill thousands.
None of those shooters, as I recall, were members of terrorist organizations. All three were local malcontents; the last guy was a baptized Christian.
So, those are not, strictly speaking, terrorist attacks.
You're loaded with hypotheticals. I'm not aware there were any air-strikes that were intercepted against the mainland.
In the same order? Same translations? Including the improper citation or wildly variant translation of 66:1? And the same V#B#N# citation system on the Bukhari Hadith?
Are you going to claim the Hadiths are copyrighted?
I never did. Actually, I used Ali Sina's website for quite a bit of that, but did not quote any original material.
Nor did you write any.
Where do you cut and paste YOUR Koran quotations from?
The Humanities Text Initiative website at the U of Michigan. www.hti.michigan.edu. I've mentioned this before.
The important distinction to make is that I cut and past the text of the Qur'an (I see now that you're not copying directly from prophetofdoom.net, you don't spell it "Qur'an") alone, not other websites' collections of Qur'anic quotations.
So, you know more about Islam than most "clerics"?
Is that a dreaded "appeal to authority"?
That includes some of the ancient leading lights of Muslim jurisprudence, you know.
Who?
Coming from an apologist for Islam, that's no insult.
Not meant as an insult, just a statement of fact.
"I'm not aware there were any air-strikes that were intercepted against the mainland."
That was an example. An analogy, if you will.
A hypothetical.
"In the same order? Same translations? Including the improper citation or wildly variant translation of 66:1? And the same V#B#N# citation system on the Bukhari Hadith?"
Take it up with Ali Sina.
"not other websites' collections of Qur'anic quotations."
Saves typing from my printed copy.
"Is that a dreaded "appeal to authority"?"
Statistically, they appear to hold to a different Koran than you.
"Who?"
A certain Ibn Ishaq, for one.
"Not meant as an insult, just a statement of fact."
If Islam wants to be respected as a "great faith", it needs to start acting like one. Temper tantrums, whining, and murder aren't exactly helpful in that regard, although it certainly was the example set by Mohammad (pork be upon him).
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