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To: Peisistratus
Is conservatism diametrically opposed to Western civilization [...]? No.

Your so-called "conservatism" is diametrically opposed to religious freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law.

(1) 9:33, 48:28, 61:9 In fact, the very title of that section in the copy I usually use, Ali's, is "Islam will triumph in the word". That's IN the world. Not the next one.

The relavent passage: "He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions"

How is this different than John 14:6 (Christ's word being the religion of truth) and John 3:12 (Necessity of Christianity in this life)?

Bukhari:V5B59N369

Not "forward looking"

Bukhari:V7B67N427

Do you know what "expiate" means?

Qur’an 9:3

Not "forward looking". You quote Yusuf Ali's translation out of context to imply otherwise.

[9:3]And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

Your citation is wrong. This is not in 66:1. In Yusuf Ali's translation, it reads:

66:1O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Bukhari:V4B52N268

War is deceit, although Sherman put it better: "War is Hell."

Sunnan Abu Dawud 37:4310

The text is:

Book 37, Number 4310

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

Nothing about killing Christians (we have already established that "swine" does not mean "Christians") and the part about breaking the cross obviously refers to the cross as the instrument of Christ's crucifixtion and a symbol of the struggle of the wicked to oppress the God-fearing and righteous.

That faith demands a literal reading of the Koran, as it is considered the direct word of Allah, versus the Christian understanding that the Bible is divinely-inspired.

This is a false assumption. It is borderline heresey to suggest that all of God's truths can be inferred from a single, surface reading of any text. See: Midrash, exegesis, etc. It is also false to assume that there are not millions of Christians who accepts literal readings of the Bible as God's word. See: Debates over Darwinian evolution.

No, Google was right.

I checked my spelling of the term in question. What do you have against proper spelling. Do words have any meaning to you?

You just cut-and-paste.

What chutzpah! Your textural evidence is lifted directly from prophetofdoom.net. Same translation, same choice of words from within passages, same order.

I tire of this

That much is clear.

We see Islam by its fruits.

And we see that your fruits are someone else's. Your battle against the Constituion involves lifting your "arguments" directly from prophetofdoom.net, without attribution. That's not conservative. That's plagiarism.

The fruits of your bigotry are intellectual dishonesty. Thankfully, they will not grow to include the treason you so desire.

306 posted on 08/04/2006 11:56:14 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

"Your so-called "conservatism" is diametrically opposed to religious freedom, individual rights, limited government, and the rule of law."

So is Islam.

"What chutzpah! Your textural evidence is lifted directly from prophetofdoom.net. Same translation, same choice of words from within passages, same order.

BS.

"Nothing about killing Christians (we have already established that "swine" does not mean "Christians") and the part about breaking the cross obviously refers to the cross as the instrument of Christ's crucifixtion and a symbol of the struggle of the wicked to oppress the God-fearing and righteous."

It does? Why do imams teach otherwise? You obviously know more about Islam than those who teach it....

"What chutzpah! Your textural evidence is lifted directly from prophetofdoom.net. Same translation, same choice of words from within passages, same order."

Sorry, no. Wrong website.

"The fruits of your bigotry are intellectual dishonesty. Thankfully, they will not grow to include the treason you so desire."

I'm bigotted against all fascists - both Muslim and Nazi. That's called being a normal citizen of the west.

ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFUL. No intellectually honest person could look upon the history of its founding and founder and conclude otherwise. No intellectually honest person could look upon the actions of the Ummah in the present day and conclude otherwise. Again, Muslim, clean up your own house before you DARE question us.

Buh, bye.


307 posted on 08/06/2006 11:15:36 AM PDT by Peisistratus (O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede...)
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