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When Did "And" Become Part of Dates and Numbers? (Vanity)

Posted on 07/16/2006 7:57:39 AM PDT by proudofthesouth

Something that I've noticed alot recently is the use of the word "and" when speaking dates and numbers. Examples:

1. Two Thousand AND Six (2006)

2. One Hundred AND Ninety Five (195)

3. The address is Three Hundred AND Seven (307) ------ Street

4. The temperature in ------ is One Hundred AND Two (102) degrees.

5. The driver qualified at One Hundred AND Eighty Six (186) miles per hour.

I've noticed news, weather and sportscasters all using the "and" word with numbers.

When I went to school back in the 60's and 70's, my classmates and I were reprimanded when using "and" along with a number. When did this change? Is it now being taught this way in schools?


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This has become a pet peeve of mine lately. Maybe I'm just being old fashioned......
1 posted on 07/16/2006 7:57:41 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: proudofthesouth

This really needs to be in Breaking News.


2 posted on 07/16/2006 7:58:22 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: proudofthesouth

Who knows. Doesn't "AND" used with numbers suggest that there is a decimal point? As in One Hundred and Eighty-Six = 100.86?


3 posted on 07/16/2006 8:00:13 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Being That Guy so you don't have to.)
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To: proudofthesouth

Huh? In the 60's and 70's we said "and".


4 posted on 07/16/2006 8:02:13 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: proudofthesouth

Go for a walk...a long walk...


5 posted on 07/16/2006 8:04:00 AM PDT by dakine
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To: proudofthesouth
To top it off, we also have the logical operator "and".

The old line "2 and 2 is 4" is incorrect if the "and" is a logical operator.

6 posted on 07/16/2006 8:04:18 AM PDT by capt. norm (W.C. Fields: "The time has come to take the bull by the tail and face the situation".)
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To: proudofthesouth
Keyword: SUBLIMEMINUTAE
Love it!
7 posted on 07/16/2006 8:05:01 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: proudofthesouth

As far as I know, it is unsafe to write 'and' on cheques, in order to prevent someone from modifying the 'and' into a 'thousand'.



Otherwise, I didn't think it was wrong to use the 'and'.


8 posted on 07/16/2006 8:06:17 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: proudofthesouth

You might be old fashioned, but you are also correct.

BTW, the number between +1 and -1 is not OH.


9 posted on 07/16/2006 8:07:38 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hurrah for the flag of the free!)
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To: Professional Engineer

its zero my dad beat me centless when i said o instaed of zero


10 posted on 07/16/2006 8:11:10 AM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Nope, sorry, and used to be taught NOT to be said with numbers except in conjunction with a decimal point. For instance with money you can say 100 dollars and 24 cents. You are not supposed to say 100 and nine dollars for 109.00. This was true in the 60s and 70s and it is true today. The thing is the dumbing down of America has crept into every aspect of our lives and especially for journalist, they have to be kept ignorant or they would suddenly be aware they are all full of sh**.


11 posted on 07/16/2006 8:18:30 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: proudofthesouth

"Four Score and Seven Years Ago..."


See, it's all a Yankee plot from the War of Northern Aggression.


12 posted on 07/16/2006 8:20:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: proudofthesouth

I remember, waaay back in the 20th century, the ooold timers spoke of "back in ought six" for 1906. Thought that was a wonderful way to refer to the preteen years.

'Course, we're way too sophisticated to use that term now.


13 posted on 07/16/2006 8:28:51 AM PDT by wizr (Red blooded Americans wear Red on Fridays. Christians show Jesus' blood was spilled, too!)
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To: proudofthesouth

That's english english.


14 posted on 07/16/2006 8:31:24 AM PDT by 1066AD
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When did this change?

June, twenty and four, nineteen hundred and seventy-three.

15 posted on 07/16/2006 8:35:25 AM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Wonderful Troops.)
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***Huh? In the 60's and 70's we said "and".***

Not during the 50's and 60's - at least in IL. Our Math teacher, oops Arithmetic teacher, would beat us (verbally and with 'a look').

One Hundred Twenty-Five
Two Thousand Three Hundred Thirty

With money you put an "and" before the cents, i.e.:

One Hundred Twenty-Five Dollars AND Thirty Cents.
and for a check:
One Hundred Twenty-Five AND 30/100 Dollars

That being said, considering we grew up on the 'Sout-West' side of Chicago, we mostly said 'Hunert' (my wife still does) and other mangleations of the Kings English like; 'over by dare'.

[ but on the 'Nort' side they were much more worse :-) ]

16 posted on 07/16/2006 8:39:35 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: proudofthesouth
Considering that it's a regular part of German (vier und zwanzig = 24) and that English and German seem to have a common origin, I would guess a long time.
Sing a song of sixpence a pocket full of rye,
Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened the birds began to sing,
Oh wasn't that a dainty dish to set before the king?
The king was in his counting house counting out his money,
The queen was in the parlour eating bread and honey
The maid was in the garden hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird and pecked off her nose!
ML/NJ
17 posted on 07/16/2006 8:44:43 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: al baby

He beat the pennies out of you?


18 posted on 07/16/2006 8:47:10 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hurrah for the flag of the free!)
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To: Condor51

I usta live jussout of tirtyfif street on Wells by da ball park.


19 posted on 07/16/2006 8:49:36 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: ml/nj

It's a poetic rhythm thing found in archaic writing. It sounds odd, but it seems to be making a comeback in prose--probably to fulfill a need for rhythm that was not being met due to metrical poetry being out of fashion.


20 posted on 07/16/2006 8:51:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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