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Iran Gave up Zarghawi to the West
June 15th, 2006 | Alan Peters

Posted on 06/15/2006 8:47:26 PM PDT by FARS

Zarghawi's Last Words "Prepare My Virgins"

IRAN TOLD HAMAS, HAMAS TOLD THE JORDANIANS, THE JORDANIANS TOLD THE AMERICANS (Washington D.C.) - and the Americans invited the Iraqis to join in to bolster the new government's ministerial positions.

Nobody really knows exactly why "anything" but speculation can be reasonably accurate. Might the cash-strapped Hamas have been angling for the $25 million bounty on which to operate?

Or was this a gift from Hamas to the West aimed to potentially reinstate Jordan as the land of the Palestinians as was originally intended long ago and now so feared a possibility - with 60% of Jordanians of Palestinian descent - that Jordan has requested a halt or slow down to American efforts to form a Palestinian State.

Did Iran offer Zarghawi as a precursor to their dubious offer to help the USA in Iraq if the nuclear matter of sanctions were dropped?

Iraqi Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie offered this English translation of a document captured from Zarghawi, which contains multiple reasons Iran decided the liability of using Zarghawi over shadowed his usefulness after becoming a double edged sword cutting both ways:

"The situation and conditions of the resistance in Iraq have reached a point that requires a review of the events and of the work being done inside Iraq. Such a study is needed in order to show the best means to accomplish the required goals, specially that the forces of the National Guard have succeeded in forming an enormous shield protecting the American forces and have reduced substantially the losses that were solely suffered by the American forces.

This is in addition to the role, played by the Shi'a (the leadership and masses) by supporting the occupation, working to defeat the resistance and by informing on its elements.

As an overall picture, time has been an element in affecting negatively the forces of the occupying countries, due to the losses they sustain economically in human lives, which are increasing with time. However, here in Iraq, time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance for the following reasons:

1. By allowing the American forces to form the forces of the National Guard, to reinforce them and enable them to undertake military operations against the resistance.

2. By undertaking massive arrest operations, invading regions that have an impact on the resistance, and hence causing the resistance to lose many of its elements.

3. By undertaking a media campaign against the resistance resulting in weakening its influence inside the country and presenting its work as harmful to the population rather than being beneficial to the population.

4. By tightening the resistance's financial outlets, restricting its moral options and by confiscating its ammunition and weapons.

5. By creating a big division among the ranks of the resistance and jeopardizing its attack operations, it has weakened its influence and internal support of its elements, thus resulting in a decline of the resistance's assaults.

6. By allowing an increase in the number of countries and elements supporting the occupation or at least allowing to become neutral in their stand toward us in contrast to their previous stand or refusal of the occupation.

7. By taking advantage of the resistance's mistakes and magnifying them in order to misinform. Based on the above points, it became necessary that these matters should be treated one by one:

1. To improve the image of the resistance in society, increase the number of supporters who are refusing occupation and show the clash of interest between society and the occupation and its collaborators. To use the media for spreading an effective and creative image of the resistance.

2. To assist some of the people of the resistance to infiltrate the ranks of the National Guard in order to spy on them for the purpose of weakening the ranks of the National Guard when necessary, and to be able to use their modern weapons.

3. To reorganize for recruiting new elements for the resistance.

4. To establish centers and factories to produce and manufacture and improve on weapons and to produce new ones.

5. To unify the ranks of the resistance, to prevent controversies and prejudice and to adhere to piety and follow the leadership.

6. To create division and strife between American and other countries and among the elements disagreeing with it.

7. To avoid mistakes that will blemish the image of the resistance and show it as the enemy of the nation.

In general and despite the current bleak situation, we think that the best suggestions in order to get out of this crisis is to entangle the American forces into another war against another country or with another of our enemy force, that is to try and inflame the situation between America and Iran or between America and the Shi'a in general.

Specifically the Sistani Shi'a, since most of the support that the Americans are getting is from the Sistani Shi'a, then, there is a possibility to instill differences between them and to weaken the support line between them; in addition to the losses we can inflict on both parties. Consequently, to embroil America in another war against another enemy is the answer that we find to be the most appropriate, and to have a war through a delegate has the following benefits:

1. To occupy the Americans by another front will allow the resistance freedom of movement and alleviate the pressure imposed on it.

2. To dissolve the cohesion between the Americans and the Shi'a will weaken and close this front.

3. To have a loss of trust between the Americans and the Shi'a will cause the Americans to lose many of their spies.

4. To involve both parties, the Americans and the Shi'a, in a war that will result in both parties being losers.

5. Thus, the Americans will be forced to ask the Sunni for help.

6. To take advantage of some of the Shia elements that will allow the resistance to move among them.

7. To weaken the media's side which is presenting a tarnished image of the resistance, mainly conveyed by the Shi'a.

8. To enlarge the geographical area of the resistance movement.

9. To provide popular support and cooperation by the people.

The resistance fighters have learned from the result and the great benefits they reaped, when a struggle ensued between the Americans and the Army of Al-Mahdi. However, we have to notice that this trouble or this delegated war that must be ignited can be accomplished through:

1. A war between the Shi'a and the Americans.

2. A war between the Shi'a and the secular population (such as Ayad 'Alawi and al-Jalabi.)

3. A war between the Shi'a and the Kurds.

4. A war between Ahmad al-Halabi and his people and Ayad 'Alawi and his people. 5. A war between the group of al-Hakim and the group of al-Sadr.

6. A war between the Shi'a of Iraq and the Sunni of the Arab countries in the gulf.

7. A war between the Americans and Iran. We have noticed that the best of these wars to be ignited is the one between the Americans and Iran, because it will have many benefits in favor of the Sunni and the resistance, such as:

1. Freeing the Sunni people in Iraq, who are (30 percent) of the population and under the Shi'a Rule.

2. Drowning the Americans in another war that will engage many of their forces.

3. The possibility of acquiring new weapons from the Iranian side, either after the fall of Iran or during the battles.

4. To entice Iran towards helping the resistance because of its need for its help.

5. Weakening the Shi'a supply line.

The question remains, how to draw the Americans into fighting a war against Iran?

It is not known whether America is serious in its animosity towards Iran, because of the big support Iran is offering to America in its war in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

Hence, it is necessary first to exaggerate the Iranian danger and to convince America and the west in general, of the real danger coming from Iran, and this would be done by the following:

1. By disseminating threatening messages against American interests and the American people and attribute them to a Shi'a Iranian side.

2. By executing operations of kidnapping hostages and implicating the Shi'a Iranian side.

3. By advertising that Iran has chemical and nuclear weapons and is threatening the west with these weapons.

4. By executing "exploding operations" in the West and accusing Iran by planting Iranian Shi'a fingerprints and evidence.

5. By declaring the existence of a relationship between Iran and terrorist groups (as termed by the Americans).

6. By disseminating bogus messages about confessions showing that Iran is in possession of weapons of mass destruction or that there are attempts by the Iranian intelligence to undertake terrorist operations in America and the west and against Western interests."

Speculation also abounds on multiple aspects pinpointing this terrorist's location and his last moments, ranging to opposite ends of the spectrum. This includes Coalition Forces beating him to death instead of acknowledging their medic tried to keep him alive (much more useful to us than dead) and 'he rolled off the stretcher to escape', was replaced, then died mumbling something nobody could decipher.

Was it "Prepare my Virgins"? As good a phrase as any to indicate he addressed Allah, though as the half-witted thug born and raised in a Palestinian refugee camp in Jordan, he may well have simply cursed his captors unprintably with his last breath.

One vengefully satisfying fact is certain. Before he died, he had full defeated knowledge of capture by his enemy. His mind must have raced asking who had betrayed him, never thinking his own murderous viciousness had delivered him to his foes. Or that the $25 million reward dangled by the USA had cemented his final betrayal by a colleague. Iran was the conduit for his betrayal but his savage slaughter of Shiites tipped the scales for them to consider giving up a useful tool.

Again, speculation abounds that the Sunnis made a deal with Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki to deliver Abu Musab Al-Zarghawi to him in return for appointing a Sunni Minister of Defense. Though this may have possibly played a role, it was the terrorist's savage brutality and his ruthless, gleeful killing, which contributed to his ousting from under an established insurgent veil of secrecy. Nobody liked him.

Others posit that Al Qaeda may have tired of his thirst for blood and been instrumental in passing the word to their senior man in Iraq, Waliya Arbili to either rein in Zarghawi or remove him to prevent further erosion of support for insurgents in Iraq. Specially of the non-Iraqi ilk. Zarghawi screaming abuse at Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad in a tape released June 6th, 2006, criticizing the empty words of "destroying Israel off the map" but in fact doing nothing to achieve this.

Remember, Zarghawi was a Palestinian. He came from a refugee camp in a town called al-Zarghaa in Jordan but was not a Jtrue ordanian. His prime objective as a Palestinian was always and remained the destruction of Israel.

Human error in white also contributed to Zarghawi's capture - his white truck. Jordanian security forces amazingly provided a location for him from his gun-jamming video in the middle of nowhere.

How could anyone recognize the desert area from the little view provided? Probably nobody, but a white truck shown in the video and seen by Jordanian spies operating in and around a certain area, could have been the end of the ball of string, which later unraveled. Jordanian Special Forces were involved though their exact role has not been clarified.

HAMAS, for its part, appeared to have leapt at the opportunity to soothe recent tensions with the Jordanian Government. April and May 2006 had seen a series of arrests in the Kingdom of HAMAS operatives captured with weapons and explosives which were alleged to have been used against Jordanian Government targets throughout the country.

According to the Jordanian Government, the HAMAS weapons caches included automatic weapons, submachineguns, ammunition, hand-grenades, mines, different types of explosives, GRAD missiles, LAW anti-tank missiles, and Katyusha rockets (some of which were reportedly Iranian made).

With his spiritual mentor and advisor Sheikh Abd al-Rahman fingered and then cross-linked with various sightings of the white truck, the end became almost inevitable. Here comes the human error. Not repainting the truck, even with cans of spray paint, every so often to change its appearance. Factory white looked good, so white it remained. Nobody in the town where Zarghawi grew up considered him any brighter than a half-wit, so little wonder.

Interestingly enough in the first Gulf war, we knew where Saddam Hussein was at any given time after we discovered he was using a bus to move around and transmit his public messages. Luckily for him our policy at the time did not include terminating him.

Additionally, Zarghawi's rising star inside Iraq, his growing operational control and involvement in European terrorist actions and nascent activities in Canada and potential strikes in the USA itself, using East European/Balkan Moslems, Hispanic, specially Puerto Rican gangs, African-American Moslems and eventually rising to prominence above Ossama Bin Laden himself, may have been dominos in his downfall. Dominos which Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Ossama's second in command in Al Qaeda might well have been happy to set up, as he too, was being overshadowed.

Two days before he was killed Al-Jazeera televison lauded Zarghawi as a prominent leader, as a key and highly important person in the struggle against the Coalition and the West and the Al Qaeda prince of the region. An hour after news of his death reached them they did a 180 and began saying that Zarghawi getting killed was no big deal since he was an unpopular, low level maverick and not truly important to Al Qaeda's cause in Iraq.

Though Shia Iran continued to train and fund Zarghawi, having had a track record together through the pro-Iran Ansar Al-Sunna, located mostly in the North Eastern Iraq, on both sides of the Kurdish border, his indiscriminate killing of both Sunnis and Shias, specially Shias like the school children he took off a minibus and executed, made his usefulness a double edged sword. And finally pushed Iran to deep six him when negatives outpaced his positives.

True, he was fomenting major trouble for the Coalition Forces and a possible sectarian if not civil war, but he had also crossed that invisible line that separates even terrorists from a sheer evil very few can stomach. And, he was having major disagreements with Al Qaeda's second most senior representative in Iraq, Waliya Arbili to the point Bin Laden had to appoint a local resident, Abdulhadi al-Iraqi, over both their heads to maintain some semblance of order.

Abdulhadi's difficult task of preventing a bloody power struggle among Al Qaeda factions, foreign insurgents and Iraqi born ones, inside Iraq, may have become much more difficult with the demise of not only Zarghawi, concurrently with several of his top aides and two female intelligence personnel, but also because of the intelligence garnered and operatives arrested in 17 immediate raids by combined Coalition and Iraqi forces - between the attack on Zarghawi and the announcement of his death.

Some 39 related raids the next day and over 400 after that, further poked large holes in the torn fabric of the terrorist insurgency, leaving the field open for leaderless younger "militants" wanting to follow Zarghawi's ideals to struggle for positions of recognition in Iraq's terror organizations. Thereby, triggering a surge in intelligence from Iraqis with little, less or no respect for the newer, young Ansar al-Islam operatives appearing on the scene.

Abdulhadi may need all the help he can get from Bin Laden's reported choice of replacement of Zarghawi, a little known operative named Abdullah bin Rashid Al-Baghdadi. However, other reports state the Egyptian, Al-Mesri, claims to have been selected to fill the void. This in itself creates a potential conflict while they vie for position in the new hierarchy, offering leaks and intelligence coups. Al-Jazeera reports of an unknown person with a pseudonym of al Muhajer (the Immigrant) as the new boss of the Ansar al-Islam show part of the turmoil Al Qaeda faces.

Positively speaking, the rips in the Iraqi organizations and the intelligence feasts from the 56 locations may force Al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden to reveal themselves as their need to communicate faster to repair the gaps, clashes with their need for secure concealment. Over 150 later raids and a massive 40,000 person campaign by the new Iraqi government with some 7,000 US military personnel backing them up, may deal an insurmountable blow to Iraq's insurgency.

With so many missing from the old structure, Iran appears t have decided to move more forcefully into the game. With much bigger fish to fry than just Iraq and with a wealth of senior Al Qaeda members as guests inside Iran, including Bin Laden's son, Iran may upgrade its efforts from acting by proxy to more definitive, direct intervention. They are already more deeply involved in Al Qaeda activity in North Africa than is generally known.

Inside Iraq, Iran has an estimated 40,000 specially trained agents, Iranian nationals or Iranian-Iraqi citizens, scattered among the major cities, infiltrated into Shia mosques and blended into Moqtada al-Sadr's Mehdi militia in Southern Iraq.

Though, with Zarghawi gone, much of the incentive to join the Mehdi militia may disappear as sectarian violence fomented by Zarghawi will diminish and the need to protect Shias from his slaughter will no longer be a recruiting call that everyone will heed.

Taking a leaf from Khomeini's revolution inside Iran, where mosques became hubs for his take over plans, Iranian intelligence agents have additionally set up Islamic libraries in many major cities in Iraq, through which they recruit, fund, organize and control anti-Coalition and anti-Iraqi government activity. This set up, while technically secular, provides cover for Islamic jihadist meetings, indoctrination, safe houses and similar clandestine needs.

Generally considered an unintelligent child and later a mindless, minor thug as he was growing up in Jordan, Zarghawi operated on his cultural background and upbringing as a Palestinian refugee camp denizen. Like Arafat, who was thrown out of every Arab country for fomenting trouble against his host government, Zarghawi had no allegiance to Jordan and probably never formally received Jordanian citizenship.

His indiscriminate killing of Iraqis, specially of the Shia persuasion, reviled as they are by Sunnis, was in keeping with his feeling no allegiance to anyone in Iraq either. Anymore than he did toward Jordanians when he blew up a wedding party in a hotel or tried to use a dirty bomb to attack Jordanian Security.

After all, he was not killing his fellow Palestinians, who were the only ones for whom he might feel any affinity. Like the paramilitary Basiji in Iran, mostly mercenary Arabs, Palestinians or Taliban Afghans, having no hesitation or compunction in killing Shia Iranians to suppress street or student demonstrations, Zarghawi took pleasure in killing Iraqis, Jordanians and Westerners. With no other claim to fame, since he used others for strategic or tactical brainpower, ruthless spilling of blood gave him the notoriety he sought to recruit a following. He was death personified, which in the terrorist world provides a loathsome charisma.

Various other matters continue to roil in Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Iran.

The new government's confrontation with the insurgency while Al Qaeda has been disrupted extends to also warning Syria to stop permitting insurgents to enter or flee Iraq by way of that country, including a warning that Iraqi military will not hesitate to make incursions into Syrian territory in pursuit of insurgents or to suppress their operations near the border regions on the Syrian side.

With Iraq also concerned by Iran and Iran's Palestinian allies in Hamas and Syrian support of them, Iraq and Jordan have established a new alliance to face the Palestinian threat – mostly to Jordan – and to co-operate on capturing and killing foreign insurgents using Jordanian territory as border crossing points.

Provocative operations into Jordan from HAMAS bases in Syria would not have occurred without approval from Damascus. Equally, Damascus would not have undertaken such levels of attempted strikes — the second of their kind attempted and foiled in the Kingdom in as many years from Syrian bases — without serious consultation with their most important strategic partner, Tehran.

The Iranian Government deliberately selling out one of its former assets — even though Zarqawi was nominally an al-Qaida leader — has direct parallels to the deliberate selling out of the al-Qaida leader in Saudi Arabia, Saleh al-Oufi, in August 2005.

When Saleh al-Oufi disobeyed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and persisted with attacks on Saudi oil infrastructure instead of supporting the major effort of the time, to escalate the Iraq conflict, the bin Laden leadership leaked al-Oufi’s whereabouts to the Saudi security forces. Saleh al-Oufi and several of his colleagues were killed in firefights with Saudi security forces on August 18, 2005.

The direct parallels between the al-Oufi and Zarqawi incidents raise the question once again of the depth of Osama bin Laden’s links with Iran, and whether bin Laden himself is still in Iran and coordinating his actions with those of Iran.

Meanwhile, intelligence indicates major, still unspecified terrorist plans are being put into place against Western targets but despite the nearly 500 targetted raids inside Iraq and capture of a treasure trove of information, pinpointing where the now looming clouds will drop their rain, continues to a mystery intelligence forces of many nations pursue with great diligence.


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To: MindBender26

Not taken personally.

But FYI, this is confirmed Intell. Just not publicized. It will eventually emerge.


21 posted on 06/15/2006 10:02:06 PM PDT by FARS (OK)
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To: federal; All

As the article said somewhere, Iran has much bigger fish to fry that a limited Iraq person, who can be replaced and remove the threat he had also become to Iran by fomenting (or planning to foment) anti-Iran and anti-Shia disinformation, while taking Shia students and the like off a bus and slaughtering them.

Thus getting lots of Iraqi Shia protest as to what in hell Iran was going to do about it and also sickening Iraqi Sunnis, who were not as happy at the murder of their own countrymen - regardless of creed - by someone who was not an Iraqi to start with. And so staunchly supported by Iran. Gave Iran an increasingly bad reputation among those they wanted to recruit against the US and coalition.

Lots of swirling, roiling undercurrents here. Zarghawi had outlived his usefuelness. Iran operates separately from Al Qaeda and on occasion have conflicting purposes. Specially in Iraq where Iran floated a "let's work together" balloon toward the USA.

Take a close look at the various cross currents before sloughing off factual reporting.


22 posted on 06/15/2006 10:12:02 PM PDT by FARS (OK)
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To: Southack; All

Hamas does exactly what Iran tells it to do. Specially being broke and Iran almmost the only source of money.

Specially when Hamas interests within Jordan are improved by this action.


23 posted on 06/15/2006 10:15:14 PM PDT by FARS (OK)
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To: FARS

What makes this article more than a rumor of fable at this point?


24 posted on 06/15/2006 10:18:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: federal

Yes, it does seem like the smart thing to do vis a vis Zarqawi would have been for al Qaida and/or Iran to take him out themselves rather than giving up his location to Hamas, Jordan, and the U.S., and thus they could have sanitized the death and guarded the intel from capture.

BUT, it may be that the people al Qaida and.or Iran entrusted with taking him out quietly and cleanly may have decided on their own to turn in Zarqawi for the reward money.

Didn't we just see Palestinian government workers rioting about not being paid?

Maybe Hamas doesn't give 2 cents about the safety of al Qaida and insurgents in Iraq when they are losing their credibility with the Palestinians.

Maybe Iran wanted to take out the Zarqawi's network in Iraq so their 40,000 agents wouldn't continue to be dragged down while the new government and the U.S. coalition continued to hunt for him.

It's all very interesting speculation.


25 posted on 06/15/2006 10:50:46 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Abigail Adams; AIC; airborne; AirForceBrat23; Alamo-Girl; ALOHA RONNIE; angelsonmyside; apackof2; ..

FYI ping.

Speculation and as yet unproved intel, but very interesting. Also it fits with some other reports I have seen.


26 posted on 06/15/2006 10:55:37 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth

An interesting twist.


27 posted on 06/15/2006 10:57:45 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: patriciaruth

OK - thanks for the ping. Bookmarking to read tomorrow - it's after one AM and I can't seem to wrap my mind around it now. :o)


28 posted on 06/15/2006 11:19:32 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: patriciaruth
"By taking advantage of the resistance's mistakes and magnifying them in order to misinform."

Ooooooh, those wascawwy Americans. It was a good article, and I hope a lot of it is true, and if so, I hope the Iraqi's disseminate it widely and with great publicity.

29 posted on 06/16/2006 2:48:39 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: FARS
Sometimes a news story comes from sources on the ground that cannot be revealed without exposing them.

You mean it's a rumor.

30 posted on 06/16/2006 4:32:20 AM PDT by Coop (JimRob is my hero!)
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To: MindBender26

I'm not sure I buy it either. I can see Jordan helping us but not Iran.


31 posted on 06/16/2006 4:35:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (never a mini gun handy when you need one)
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To: FARS

Maybe that PLO official caught with 20 million in cash at the border was bringing home the Zark reward money?


32 posted on 06/16/2006 5:05:44 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: FARS
>But FYI, this is confirmed Intell. Just not publicized. It will eventually emerge.

I'm sorry, but this is far from "confirmed intel. The site is nothing more than a blog set up by some Shah supporter four months ago. "Hard intel" sites are rarely set up through "GoDaddy" !

As far as being "confirmed intel," the first sentence of the article describes itself as speculation.

There is nothing in this report or any supporting intel to indicate that it is anything beyond foolish rumors and wild speculation.

It even goes so far as to claim it knows what Zarghawi said with his dying breath. The supposed "Prepare my Virgins" line is more likely the wild imagination of a 14 year old boy in Arkansas than any real data.

On a scale of 1 to 6, this is a minus 3
33 posted on 06/16/2006 5:30:43 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: FARS

Are you able to speak or read Arabic?


34 posted on 06/16/2006 6:35:36 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Isn't Karl Rove amazing. Just look at what he's done!!!


35 posted on 06/16/2006 6:38:24 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: FARS

While I see it as possible that someone in Iran might have given some useful intel to someone who passed it to us, I can hardly believe this was some kind of policy decision from the top. I don't see Iran's Kook-in-Chief giving up the one guy who was doing the most damage (real or ginned up in our press), against our efforts in Iraq--which, if successful, threaten to spill over into Iran.

Chaos in Iraq is what was best for Iran's leadership, regardless of who was causing it. Zarqawis death bolsters Iraq's new goverrnment and president Bush. Neither of which is good for the persian mullahs.


36 posted on 06/16/2006 8:33:28 AM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: patriciaruth

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 06/16/2006 8:43:03 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: PsyOp; All

I will repost this subject as NEWS with a very similar piece confirming this about Iran by UN correspondent of GIS, which has been around for over 20 years and is a respected and accredited news source for the intel community.

I wish you guys would listen to me - actually to Alan - when he posts something.

That he is allegedly a monarchists with a fairly new Blog site makes him less a decent source of information about IRAN? NOgt about everything but certainly about Iran or Iran/Iraq and that region?

Does being a monarchist with lots of contacts disqualify him from posting accurate material? As someone said derogatorily?

Or would he on the contrary know more than most of us? And sooner?

Do you really have to wait a couple more days for some other source to break it and not have it first on FR for everyone instead of tucked away and hidden?

Has Alan ever lead you wrong? Have I?

Good grief.



38 posted on 06/16/2006 2:46:04 PM PDT by FARS (OK)
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To: FARS

Bump for later reading.


39 posted on 06/16/2006 10:02:39 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: FARS
I wish you guys would listen to me - actually to Alan - when he posts something.

As you well know, I have put a lot of stock in what you and Alan say. In fact, this is probably the first time I have disagreed outright with one of his analysis. That is because I don't rely on single sources for my information. This particular theory doesn't hold water for me. But, as I said, it is quite possible someone leaked information from Iran, but without any "official" knowledge at the top.

If one accepts the premise that Iran is involved with the "insurgency" (supplying IED''s and such) and is trying to foment civil war in Iraq so that we will leave (allowing them the opportunity to move in and pick up the pieces), as I do, and as you and Peters have indicated in the past, then this is entirely counterintuitive.

It makes no sense to that the people who would benefit the most from chaos in Iraq would drop a dime on the guy creating the most chaos there. Especially when they know that the Sunnis would be the ultimate losers in an all-out civil war, and that we would not stick around to be participants. I don't see the logic there, and until I do, I won't buy the idea that Iran's leadership gave Zarqawi.

Even the captured Zarqawi letter that states the al-qeuda should try to start a war between Iran and the US doesn't change that. Many have speculated that Iran itself is looking for such a conflict in order to consolidate popular support for the government, including Alan if I'm not mistaken. If that is true, and I think it may be, that is yet another reason to let Zarqawi keep on keeping on.

It is quite possible though, that having seen Zarqawi killed, and his usefullness at an end, that the Iranian leadership decided to make political hay by taking credit for it giving him up. This, to me, is the more likely scenario.

You and Peters can't be right all the time. No one is. Don't take it personally. And if it turns out you are right, I will humble myself by apologizing on this forum.

40 posted on 06/19/2006 8:28:10 AM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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