India: New Interest In 'Jesus Grave' In Kashmir

Aki/Asian Age ^ | Jun-12-2006 06:14 pm | unattributed

[SunkenCiv]

The hypothesis that Jesus Christ is buried in central Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian-administered Kashmir, has aroused a lot of interest among historiographers, researchers, scholars, archaeologists and religious groups both in India and worldwide once again. A team of German researchers, including two archaeologists, is planning to visit Srinagar later this year to investigate the subject.

Within India, the political party known as the Janata Party has set up a group of experts from among its members which would be coming to Kashmir's summer capital soon to start research work. The party's president, Dr Subramanian Swamy, who was in Srinagar last week, said that after reading a booklet by a German he has a "feeling of curiosity" about Jesus Christ and Moses having visited Kashmir and in the belief that both had died and are buried in the Valley.

Muslims in Kashmir and elsewhere revere both Jesus and Moses as "noble prophets" of "Bani Israel" (Children of Israel), as the Koran makes a number of references to them. Swamy also pointed to the belief of many Kashmiris that they were one of the "Lost Tribes" of Israel.

"It is a matter of great interest that Prophet Moses is buried in Kashmir and that Jesus too had visited the Valley, went to Ladakh to visit the Hemis monastery where he took Buddhism as his faith, returned home but left it again for Kashmir to escape persecution, and died here in Srinagar," he said. The Janata Party leader said that the team he has set up would do methodical research on the subject and come out with its findings "which everybody in the country would be interested in."

[SunkenCiv]

[SunkenCiv]

Japan is proud home of Christ's tomb
TimesOnline | May 29, 2006 | Leo Lewis
Posted on 05/31/2006 12:56:17 PM EDT by NYer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641265/posts

[SunkenCiv]

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[Defiant]

Maybe he went to India after he toured North America???

[trashcanbred]

"Jesus too had visited the Valley, went to Ladakh to visit the Hemis monastery where he took Buddhism as his faith.."

Anyone ever heard of this before? What in the world are they talking about?

[GreyFriar]

Ah, more competition for the DaVinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

Let's see, buried in Israel, France, Japan, and now India, h'mmmm we still have to hear from Africa, the America's and Australia.

[SunkenCiv]

For many years this has been among the claims on the "missing years" (between infancy and ministry).

[The Lion Roars]

this is soo untrue. the actual tomb of jesus is in my backyard. visitors entrance fee $20. /sarc

[Kenny Bunkport]

the belief of many Kashmiris that they were one of the "Lost Tribes" of Israel.

ONE of the lost tribes? How many lost tribes are there?

[Nabber]

Seems to conflict with that "Ascension" thing.....

[CarrotAndStick]

Kashmir Ping!

[nmh]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... the Bible indicates otherwise:

Where Was Jesus Crucified?

Where was Jesus crucified? We find the answer in Scripture. This information is recorded in all four of the gospels. However, three of the gospels use one Greek word and one gospel uses another.

"And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull" (Matthew 27:33).

"And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull" (Mark 15:22).

"And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha" (John 19:17).

In these three gospels the Greek word "Golgotha" is used and it means as we read in Matthew "a place of a skull." The Hebrew and the Greek word were the same and therefore it was a commonly known name.

Luke uses the Greek word "Calvary" rather than Golgotha. "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left" (Luke 23:33). This word in Greek means cranium, or skull and all four gospels identify this spot outside of the gates of Jerusalem as the place where Jesus was placed on a cross. Therefore, the place where Jesus was crucified was a knoll or hill on the outskirts of Jerusalem that was made up of rock shaped like a man's skull and both the Romans and the Jews knew this place by the same name.

Why here? There were several reasons. For the Romans, this spot outside the gates of the city was a place where they crucified criminals as a sign to those who would visit the city that they did not tolerate criminality. In other words, it was capitol punishment used as a deterrent for crime. It was a usual practice for those crucified to be left on the cross for days and they often became rotting corpses that were food for the carrion eaters. Only those criminals who were Jewish or had someone to claim the body were taken down and placed in graves. Jesus' body was buried in the grave belonging to Joseph of Arimathaea (Matthew 27:57-60). Others were sometimes left to rot on the cross and then their bones were cast into a potter's field.

Another reason that the crucifixions took place outside of the city was because of the strict Jewish laws regarding the proximity of dead bodies to the living. Coming into contact with a dead body meant a period of ritual cleansing for uncleanness (Numbers 19:11-22). The Pharisees took this very seriously and all tombs in the city were white washed so that no one could accidentally come into contact with them and be ceremonially unclean. In addition, there was the fact that anyone who "hung on a tree" was cursed. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" (Galatians 3:13).

This is a quote from Deuteronomy. "His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance" (Deuteronomy 21:23). Therefore, the body of any Jew that was hanged or crucified had to be taken down before the beginning of a new day or there was defilement. This practice was accepted by the Roman government as a way to keep the peace with the Jews.

Where was Jesus crucified? Golgotha is where Jesus was crucified by the Romans and it was a place where capitol punishment was meted out. If the Jews had punished Jesus, He would have been stoned. Therefore, the sovereignty of God and the fulfillment of Scripture were perfectly accomplished at the "place of the skull."

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/where-was-jesus-crucified-faq.htm

Somewhere outside of Jerusalem -- India is VERY UNLIKELY.

Besides that it was a TOMB not a grave. He also rose from the dead so there will be NO body and NO trinkets. This is someone getting carried away ... .

[twigs]

I believe that there are ten lost tribes. Or 10 1/2. All of the tribes of the northern kingdom that were exiled by the Assyrians. Judah and I think half of Benjamin was exiled a century or so later by the Persians, but were allowed to return (Ezra and Nehemiah in the Bible tell about the exiles return). Don't remember the exact details about the 1/2 tribe. I'm sure someone here knows a lot more about it than I do.

[Andonius_99]

For many years this has been among the claims on the "missing years" (between infancy and ministry).

Thanks for the Ping SC. Here's the real story of "Jesus, The Missing Years" as told by John Prine:

It was raining. it was cold

West bethlehem was no place for a twelve year old

So he packed his bags and he headed out

To find out what the worlds about

He went to france. he went to spain

He found love. he found pain.

He found stores so he started to shop

But he had no money so he got in trouble with a cop

Kids in trouble with the cops

From israel didnt have no home

So he cut his hair and moved to rome

It was there he met his irish bride

And they rented a flat on the lower east side of rome...

Italy that is

Music publishers, book binders, Bible belters, money changers, Spoon benders and lots of pretty italian chicks.

Chorus:

Charley bought some popcorn

Billy bought a car

Someone almost bought the farm

But they didnt go that far

Things shut down at midnight

At least around here they do

Cause we all reside down the block

Inside at ....23 skidoo.

Wine was flowing so were beers

So jesus found his missing years

So he went to a dance and said this dont move me

He hiked up his pants and he went to a movie

On his thirteenth birthday he saw rebel without a cause

He went straight on home and invented santa claus

Who gave him a gift and he responded in kind

He gave the gift of love and went out of his mind

You see him and the wife wasnt getting along

So he took out his guitar and he wrote a song

Called the dove of love fell off the perch

But he couldnt get divorced in the catholic church

At least not back then anyhow

Jesus was a good guy he didnt need this shit

So he took a pill with a bag of peanuts and a coca-cola and he swallowed it.

He discovered the beatles

And he recorded with the stones

Once he even opened up a three-way package in southern california for old george jones

Repeat chorus:

The years went by like sweet little days

With babies crying pork chops and beaujolais

When he woke up he was seventeen

The world was angry. the world was mean.

Why the man down the street and the kid on the stoop

All agreed that life stank. all the world smelled like poop

Baby poop that is ..the worst kind

So he grew his hair long and thew away his comb

And headed back to jerusalem to find mom, dad and home

But when he got there the cupboard was bare

Except for an old black man with a fishing rod

He said whatcha gonna be when you grow up?

Jesus said god

Oh my god, what have I gotten myself into?

Im a human corkscrew and all my wine is blood

Theyre gonna kill me mama. they dont like me bud.

So jesus went to heaven and he went there awful quick

All them people killed him and he wasnt even sick

So come and gather around me my contemporary peers

And Ill tell you all the story of Jesus...the missing years

[Junior]

Many of Jesus' teachings have an uncanny resemblance to various Eastern philosophies. It has long been hypothesized that Jesus may have traveled to the Orient before beginning his ministry (there's an 18-year gap in the accounts of his life).

[RightWhale]

Anyone ever heard of this before?

Yes. It's more convoluted by far than the JFK assassination conspiracy, as would possibly be expected in the 2300 years of Christianity.

[chesley]

Well, as this isn't a religion thread, all I'll say is, " What a crock!"

[Kenny Bunkport]

Many of Jesus' teachings have an uncanny resemblance to various Eastern philosophies.

I wasn't aware that there were various Eastern philosophies which hold to the sinfulness of mankind, the need of a savior, the fact the savior was to be without sin, was in fact to be the Son of God, was to pay the penalty of sin for the entire world, was to rise again in three days, ascend to the Father, and send his Holy Spirit to live within those who put their faith in Him.

[little jeremiah]

Jesus Christ taught bhakti, loving devotion to God. As does the Bhagavad Gita and the Puranas. And other Vedic scriptures. He also taught the immortality of the soul and the absolute nature of God, as do the Vedas. "As you sow, so shall you reap" is the law of karma.

There is not only similarity, it is the same truth. The idea that the essence of Christianity is something other than the message of Jesus is not what Jesus taught.

[Kenny Bunkport]

There is record of Christian missionaries in China as early as the 2nd or 3rd Century. So, commonalities between the teachings of Christianity and some Asian philosophies may stem from these early contacts.