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Gag order sought in lacrosse case (NAACP Wants Gag Order)
Durham Herald-Sun ^ | May 25, 2006 | PAUL BONNER

Posted on 05/25/2006 5:04:51 AM PDT by abb

DURHAM -- A lawyer with the state NAACP said the civil rights organization intends to seek a gag order in the Duke lacrosse case, and a journalist who participated in a forum with him on Wednesday said media coverage of the alleged rape may deprive the alleged victim of her legal rights to a fair trial.

Al McSurely, an attorney who chairs the Legal Redress Committee for the state National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he generally respects the defense attorneys in the case as colleagues. But they are violating the State Bar's rules of professional conduct that discourage comments outside court that are likely to prejudice a case, he said.

The NAACP will try to intervene in the case to file a "quiet zone/let's let justice work" motion. That is otherwise known as a gag order, he acknowledged, although he said he doesn't like that term.

McSurely's comments came amid the first-ever Durham Conference on the Moral Challenges of our Culture at First Presbyterian Church downtown. The session gave the approximately 150 people who attended a chance to hear a series of talks and discuss among themselves sexual and domestic violence, racism, class distinctions and the media.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: crystalgailmangum; duke; dukelax; durham; lacrosse; naacp; nifong
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To: TommyDale

I think the documents say she wasn't asked until after the 1st results came back. Nifong wouldn't have been so sure about the DNA if CGM had told the SANE she had unprotected sex with 3 guys. After the 1st DNA results came back is when Nifong clammed up for a while.

So, I think we can add lying to the SANE / DA to the list of things CGM has done.


81 posted on 05/25/2006 8:36:10 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: JLS; TommyDale
This is my summary of what I remember:

She told the SANE nurse that she had not had any sex for three(?) weeks prior to the incident. I think that the SBI found nothing in her (or maybe something inconclusive in her) on the first DNA test.

The second more-sensitive DNA test apparently found something in her but it did not match any of the players. So with this evidence the DA went back to her and forced her to tell who she'd been with prior to the incident. She named three men - the boyfriend and the two drivers - and DNA samples were taken from them. This is why the second DNA test took so much longer than the first.

Upon receipt of the second DNA test, the defense announced that there was a match on the boyfriend but did not announce

1) whether more than just her boyfriend was found in her and

2) if so whether there was a match to the drivers

3) if so whether DNA was found in her that matched not the lax team, not her boyfriend, not the drivers, but other men unknown.

Does that fit with what everyone else remembers?
82 posted on 05/25/2006 8:39:35 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: JLS
I'm betting that someone ran the test against known "pimps" in the area. A matter of getting into the right data base. Will this go back to the Prostitution Ring bit?? I'd almost bet on it.

How many times has Crystal been picked up and let go when she cried and said that a "boyfriend" beat her up? How many cops are hiding their heads right now?

She is what she is and it's a risky business to say the least.

83 posted on 05/25/2006 8:41:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ltc8k6
I think the documents say she wasn't asked until after the 1st results came back.

That's what I thought.

84 posted on 05/25/2006 8:45:31 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Sacajaweau

It will not be useless if it documents her lies or at least her proclivity to lie.


85 posted on 05/25/2006 8:50:47 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

I don't think the SBI would've missed a vaginal swab containing semen, which is what the defense described at their presser after the second results came in.

I think the SBI report given to the defense on April 10 omitted the semen results, because no player was found to be the donor. The lab or perhaps Nifong made a decision that the players had no right to know about findings other than their own.


86 posted on 05/25/2006 8:53:54 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: JLS
Why would Crystal give three possible sources if there was only one set of matching DNA? Why not give the RIGHT one? She knew who she had unprotected sex with LAST.

Either someone gave her up as part of a deal or they matched it with a particular data base. Don't forget, the cops, especially detectives working on a case are also usually added to the DNA data base as a filter for contamination.

Just tossing it around!!

87 posted on 05/25/2006 8:55:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I vote for hiding under the desk, stealing the judge's car and running over the court officer.

And she'll spend two weekends in jail for it.


88 posted on 05/25/2006 8:58:11 AM PDT by OrinocoJack (Free the Ham Sammich! Disbar Nifong!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Cheshire described the DNA on the vaginal swab as "belonging to a single male source".

The nail, containing DNA from which Evans could not be excluded. was described by Cheshire as also having DNA of others (not necessarily players), but not Seligmann or Finnerty.


89 posted on 05/25/2006 9:00:15 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: bjc
Ah....Useless for the prosecution. These SANE people are not the experts that mothers are when they catch their kids lying.

Part of a SANE nurse's job is "compassion" just like any other nurse. Unfortunately, compassion can make us gullible. Happens every day and you don't have to be a SANE nurse to fall into the trap.

90 posted on 05/25/2006 9:00:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: All

I'm going to post my comment, then read the thread.

I am not surprised that lawyers for the NAACP don't understand the concept of STANDING!!

Why don't they just wear clown suits and arrive 9 in a little car?


91 posted on 05/25/2006 9:04:53 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Part of a SANE nurse's job is "compassion" just like any other nurse

Close, but I think everyone is missing the boat on the SANE nurse's role here, it is compassion, yes, but it is more that that - it almost moves to the "advocacy" position. I have done some crisis work, and at that stage our job is not to judge the veracity of the complaints or to try to get to the bottom of the present situation, our job is to more like being an advocate.

It is not the SANE's nurse to judge guilt or innocence, or come to a conclusion. It is her job to treat the victim, make observations and collect evidence. If a SANE nurse decided she had to figure out the guilt or innocence of any party, or whether the client was lying, nothing would ever get done.

As such, I think the SANE nurse did exactly what her job was. The finding "consistent with" was exactly the right finding. That has a specific legal meaning, it is the media that has twisted that fact into the lie that it mean "the evidence shows".

BTW I think the boys are innocent.

92 posted on 05/25/2006 9:13:38 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Sacajaweau
Why would Crystal give three possible sources if there was only one set of matching DNA? Why not give the RIGHT one? She knew who she had unprotected sex with LAST.

Because they can swim around for some time if you know what I mean.

93 posted on 05/25/2006 9:14:00 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: All

OK, I've read the thread now.

A party must have legal standing to enter a case, unless the court grants them permission to enter the case. Anyone can TRY to intervene, but their attempt at intervention will be quickly dismissed if they lack STANDING to be a party.

NAACP lacks STANDING to be a party in this case. There is no basis for their involvement. This is nothing but grandstanding, an attempt to shut down all the bad TRUTH coming out.


94 posted on 05/25/2006 9:15:15 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: abb
A legal defense fund for the indicted Duke lacrosse players has been set up. Contact the moderator of http://www.friendsofdukelacrosse.blogspot.com/ via email for details-- friendsofdukelacrosse@yahoo.com
95 posted on 05/25/2006 9:21:59 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: pepperhead
A professor once described the of the "Voyage of the Sperm" and how tired they must have been when only the strongest arrived about three days later at the egg and with their near last breath were able to penetrate their goal. It was hysterical.

I was about 35 at the time with three kids.

96 posted on 05/25/2006 9:27:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Locomotive Breath
I think that the SBI found nothing in her

There is a difference between "finding no match" and "finding nothing" in her.

I bet they found a LOT but they didn't and maybe still don't know who it matched. Maybe that's why they want the gag order for fear that it might 'leak out' that they found 10 different sources in her.

Listen carefully to their reports. They talk about matches, not how many different sources.

97 posted on 05/25/2006 9:38:45 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Sacajaweau

I had a tubal pregnacy 2 years after having my tubes tied.
The doctor came in later and said I had developed fistulas (little tunnels)

I immediately thought of those determnined little sperms hard hats on, picks in hand singing "Working in an egg mine, going down, down, down.."


98 posted on 05/25/2006 9:40:25 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: abb

Good morning. Thanks for the ping!


99 posted on 05/25/2006 9:53:58 AM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: Locomotive Breath
She named three men - the boyfriend and the two drivers - and DNA samples were taken from them. This is why the second DNA test took so much longer than the first.

Do we know they took samples from the "drivers"? I hadn't heard that..

2) if so whether there was a match to the drivers

If they did sample the "drivers" and the defense announced that they found a match to a "single male source" then that tells me that there was not a match on the "drivers". If there was no match to the "drivers" and there is more DNA than just the BF's match.... Then she must have lied about only 3 that could have made the deposit...

Does that sound right?

100 posted on 05/25/2006 9:55:30 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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