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This "lecture" fills the gap between our last Baroque lecture, Art Appreciation/Education series II class #4: Art of the Baroque http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1563367/posts from 1/23/06, and the first of those on Manet and Realism. It is really with that lecture on nineteenth century Realism that was (paradoxically) the beginning of abstraction, for Manet began to flatten the space and forms in his work, emphasizing the freedom of the artist to create what he needs to, since the camera had been just invented. class 1: Realism: Manet and Homer; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410117/postsposted 5/25/05.

It's been just about a year ago when I started this series of online classes. What I like most is the commnents and discussion afterward: so go to it. What other works do you like by these artists? What artists have I missed? What do you have a problem understanding?

1 posted on 05/11/2006 3:04:52 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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In case anyone has missed the other "classes" or essays I've written up: here you go.

class #10: Postmodernism http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1473061/posts?page=17

class #9: Pop and Minimal Art http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1470726/posts?page=2

class 8: Pollock and Abstract Expressionism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1468241/posts

class 7: American Modernism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1440373/posts

class 6: Surrealism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1427099/posts

class 5: Cubism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1427099/posts

class 4: Expressionism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1424087/posts

class 3: Cezanne and van Gogh; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1419876/posts

class 2: Impressionism and Post-Impressionism; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1414727/posts

class 1: Realism: Manet and Homer; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410117/posts

A new series of art history "lectures" designed chronologically from Egyptian art onward:

Art Appreciation/Education series II class #1: Greco-Roman Realism and Early Christian Abstraction http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1491050/posts

Art Appreciation/Education Series II class #2: Romanesque and Gothic Art and Architecture http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1498966/posts

Art Appreciation/Education series II class #3: Art of the Renaissance http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1528015/posts

Art Appreciation/Education series II class #4: Art of the Baroque http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1563367/posts

I have also begun a series on Visits to NYC and the art seen there:

Art Appreciation/Education: Visit to NYC I: Robert Smithson and James Turrell: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1507874/posts

Blue Moon by John Haber: A review of Oscar Bluemner's retrospective at the Whitney (I wanted to write about Bluemner's work as my Visit to NY II, but I decided to post Haber's great article instead.) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1507684/posts

Art Appreciation/Education: Visit to NY III: Elizabeth Murray: Return to Color and Energy http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1512127/posts

One other essay I wrote on Christo and his orange gates in NYC: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348194/posts

A Visit to Lincoln Center http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1620124/posts

You can also get to these, and other images, on my home page.


2 posted on 05/11/2006 3:06:38 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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Turner to Rothko is a BIG stretch.

Rothko's colors are not found in nature - Turner's always are.

Rothko's shapes are symmetrical and static - Turner's never are.

I love Turner. I can't stand Rothko.

BTW, here's my favorite Ingres - showing clearly the impossible distortions that were often hidden in Neoclassical "realism" -

the Romantics were really more realistic, if you see what I mean.

6 posted on 05/11/2006 3:16:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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Thank you. I thought Fragonard was spelled with one "n", but I guess spelling was more fluid back then.


7 posted on 05/11/2006 3:21:13 PM PDT by Argh
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Thanks for this series. Now I just have to find the time to work through them all.

I hope we will not end up with flame wars between classicists and Romanticists (followed by bannings and suspensions). :)


14 posted on 05/11/2006 4:23:30 PM PDT by evilC (Call me Krusty)
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Nice job. I see you've listed your other threads as well.

I look forward to read them. Thanks.


16 posted on 05/11/2006 4:28:18 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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Thank you so much for taking the time to help us appreciate art and its history...this was terrific.

You are one reason FreeRepublic is great.

17 posted on 05/11/2006 5:53:58 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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Thanks RP, these are very potent paintings.


18 posted on 05/11/2006 7:07:18 PM PDT by aristotleman
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I'm late to this list so thanks for the links to the others in the series.

There is an eerieness in Turner unique to him; the painting of his in the MFA in Boston, with the horses tossed overboard, is spectacualr and haunting once you've seen it in person.

19 posted on 05/11/2006 8:06:31 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Can't wait for the Dems to close that border and are approving SCOTUS nominees!)
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Wonderful, and so informative - thanks! I especially liked the Friedrich with the two small figures in black.


21 posted on 05/11/2006 8:35:37 PM PDT by Moonmad27
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More on the curious phrase Et in Arcadia Ego.
22 posted on 05/11/2006 9:04:01 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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I think Goethe posited that all art goes through three natural stages: classic, romantic and decadent and moves on to another form of classic that starts the process all over again, ever run across this?


28 posted on 05/12/2006 6:30:44 AM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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Now this is art. (Mostly. The Rothko stuff is useless.)

I prefer the Cezane to the first Poussin. Due to the more realistic colors its easier to get 'into' the Cezane. I can picture myself walking the trail there to the buildings in the background while the Poussin doesn't draw me in as well.

I like the Davids also. These work over the sofa so to speak. I guess being a fan of the imagery of those eras helps. The broken blocks in the wall in The Death of Socrates make the whole scene real. Minor details are important. I guess that's why I tend more to the realist types of paintings and shun the abstracts and some impressionists

Again in Ingres Grand Odalisque and Delacroix’s Odalisque I greatly prefer the first over the second. Even with the extended version of the lower back Ingres image is of a woman. Delacroix is merely some smears of color on canvas. One thing I will give D credit for though is the smear of color in the right background. Gives the impression of several people back there looking in.

Rubens. Ugly fat chicks. Enough said.

Delacroix's The Death of Sardanapolous The nude in the first is the only redeeming feature I see in this one. But then I tend to like ladies posteriers and this one is shapely and well rendered. The rest of the image is too dark and cluttered for my taste. The nude doesn't really seem to add anything to the picture as the image is overwhelmingly full as it is. It's like "Where's Waldo" in paint.

Liberty Leading the People. Why are her breasts hanging out? doesn't add anything to the image at all. Just serves as a distraction. I think it would have worked far better if she were draped somewhat Romanish (Greekish?). As it is her image is incongruous with the whole and thus detracts from the story. What would be a good battle type painting now leads to the sole question "why is that lady half naked?" It's not even battle damage to her clothes. It's more like she's playing the slut in the middle of a battle. Just doesn't fit.

Raft of the Medusa. Again far too cluttered for my taste. The story behind the painting is cool but how could you tell that from looking at the picture. The father doesn't look like he's mourning. looks more like Rodin's "the thinker" (?)

David’s Napoleon Crossing the Alps vs. Gerricault’s Mounted Officer. David wins hands down. I don't do exageration very well.

Goya. Looks far too cartoonish for my taste. The colors are just strange to me. The central 'victim' is wearing a spotless white shirt and spotless trousers yet he's presumably been imprisoned.

Friedrich. these I like. The first has an almost photographic realism of an obviously not real subject. Like the Cezane earlier it draws me in. Whose being buried there. What's behind the ruined cathedral? I can see myself exploring the area.

Constable. I also like these. While thefirst is somewhat blurred it's light enough to still look real (or at least close enough). I've always liked landscapes though so I'm biased here.

Turner I don't care for. Too blurry (or perhaps too close to monotone?) I can't relate to something that's not there.

Rothko. My five year old daughter colors better than this.

Kind of long I know but it's been a while since I've played. All in all a much better period and style for me.

29 posted on 05/12/2006 6:35:46 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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I always thought that The Death of Socrates should be titled "Socrates Tells His Last Pun".


34 posted on 05/12/2006 6:46:12 AM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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It is definitely time to finish my series of art “lectures.”

Please don't finish. Keep 'em coming! I've enjoyed and truly appreciate your beautiful, elevating lessons. Thank you.

49 posted on 05/12/2006 8:32:06 AM PDT by fullchroma
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You are one of the best things on FR!


55 posted on 05/12/2006 4:04:22 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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