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Flip-Flop In Duke Rape Scandal (Source: Timeline Supports Duke Players)
CBS News ^ | 04/21/06 | staff

Posted on 04/21/2006 8:31:00 AM PDT by Perdogg

CBS News correspondent Trish Regan reports that defense sources say Finnerty was eating at a Mexican restaurant when the alleged rape is said to have occurred. And they say Seligmann may not have been in the house during most of the time the alleged rape was carried out.

According to a neighbor's testimony, the stripper arrived at the house around 11:50 p.m., although the prosecution may argue she arrived earlier.

The defense says it has time-stamped photos of the stripper. The first was taken at midnight, followed by a series of pictures over the next four minutes that show her and Roberts.

There is a time gap in the photos of the alleged victim between 12:03:57 and 12:30:12, when she's seen at the back entrance of the house and appears to be leaving. A neighbor said he believes he saw her in the front yard sometime between 12:20 and 12:30.

Based on the time-stamps, there is a 16- to 26-minute window in which she could have been assaulted. But, during most of that time, Seligmann may not have been in the house.

Sources for the defense tell CBS News that cell phone records show Seligmann made calls at 12:07, 12:09 and 12:11. At 12:14, he called a cab to pick him up. Driver Moez Mostafar says he got that call and showed CBS News his dispatch records to prove it. He says he picked up Seligmann at 12:19.

"He looked normal, nothing looked unusual to me," Mostafar said. "He asked me to go to Wachovia Bank where he can get some money.

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TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham; rape; witchhunt
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To: Always Right

...Timeline makes no sense...

12:14 and 12:19. That's the time gap that Seligmann cannot document. So, in that time frame, he took part in a violent assault, kidnapping, and gang rape, oh, and he also walked a block and a half.

Almost forgot, they also cleaned up the bathroom, scrubbing ALL traces of DNA connecting them to the crime scene. Then proceeded to hatch their 'wall of silence' scheme.

Crime of the century folks........or they just didn't do it.


21 posted on 04/21/2006 9:56:49 AM PDT by Gunflint
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To: Gunflint

They should have left used condoms behind. Then in court they can make a lame attempt to try it on, and declare 'if the rubbers don't fit, you must aquit.'


22 posted on 04/21/2006 10:02:07 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Perdogg

Trish Regan still working at CBS? I thought she'd been released from them.


23 posted on 04/21/2006 10:04:52 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Always Right
Einey, meiney, miney, mo,
Catch the lax boys with the ho,
If they weren't there,
Don't let em go,
Einey, meiney, miney, mo.
24 posted on 04/21/2006 10:11:50 AM PDT by don'tbedenied ( D)
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To: theDentist
Trish Regan still working at CBS? I thought she'd been released from them.

With Al Jazeera coming to town, CBS has to hang on to every worker they can.

25 posted on 04/21/2006 10:16:03 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right; Perdogg; piytar

Oh I agree it'll never make it to court. Still I would like to see our little Kimmy, the self impeaching witness, have to explain herself. I'm cruel that way.


26 posted on 04/21/2006 10:43:21 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: LK44-40
It is very distressing that Finnerty's deal in his D.C. problem may now come unglued because it provided that he not only not be ~convicted~ for another crime but that he not be ~arrested~. If he has a strong alibi in the LAX matter, it would be absolutely outrageous for him to be punished in D.C. because of Durham ~allegations~.

In thinking about it, I'm sure that's why he was charged. That way, at least he serves time for something, according to the warped logic in operation here.

27 posted on 04/21/2006 10:44:46 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

That email reads like a clever prank by some guys in one of the frat houses to me. It's textbook smooth and businesslike, no grammar or spelling giveaways, no woe-is-me tone; I say there's NFW this ghetto-trash whore could have written it.


28 posted on 04/21/2006 11:23:28 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Perdogg; Steve_Seattle
How did he pay?

Amex. He's in the clear too. There hasn't been as much talk about him because his alibi is iron-clad in only two or three ways instead of the four or five for the other guy.

29 posted on 04/21/2006 11:27:47 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Oops, it was from her! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1618884/posts


30 posted on 04/21/2006 11:38:33 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Gunflint
"12:14 and 12:19. That's the time gap that Seligmann cannot document."

Actually, it's more like 12:15 to 12:17. He was picked up at 12:19 by the cab a block and a half away from the house. If he made the call from the house, it would have taken him two or three minutes to walk to where the cab picked him up, and the call itself would have used up at least half a minute. So he was either already out of the house at 12:14, or he left by about 12:17 to walk to where the cab picked him up. So we have a maximum two minute window for a rape that the victim described as a half-hour struggle.
31 posted on 04/21/2006 3:03:51 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Locomotive Breath
Oh I agree it'll never make it to court. Still I would like to see our little Kimmy, the self impeaching witness, have to explain herself. I'm cruel that way.

I have to admit the cynical part of me wants to see her on the witness stand being cross-examined by the defense attorneys. Now that would be some must-see TV.

32 posted on 04/21/2006 4:52:02 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Sessions-The immigration bill is a colossal failure. It's a dead horse laying out in the sun.)
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To: Perdogg
"Keep in mind, this is the defense's timeline," reports Regan. "The prosecution may argue that the woman was allegedly raped in the 30 minutes before she showed up in the first picture at 12 midnight."

Yeah right! She shows up earlier, gets raped, performs for the guys at 12:05am then hangs around for another 35 minutes in or not in the bathroom.

Also on Monday, a judge agreed to a change so that Roberts would no longer have to pay a 15 percent fee to a bonding agent. District Attorney Mike Nifong signed a document saying he would not oppose the change.

"It seems she is receiving very favorable financial treatment for what she is now saying," Thomas said.

Mark Simeon, Roberts' attorney, said the bond conditions were changed because Roberts is not considered a flight risk. Nifong, who hasn't spoken with reporters about the case in weeks, didn't return a call seeking comment.

This DA is so blatantly transparent it is outrageous. She's not a flight risk but the acccused need to post $400,000 each. And this after a guy yesterday was charged with murder and given a $50,000 bond presumably because he is 1/8 the flight risk as the Duke Duo.

The DA wears no clothes!

33 posted on 04/21/2006 7:42:43 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Reid...Kerry...Rockefeller. They were unable to attend due to a prior lack of commitment." - Cheney)
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To: torchthemummy; Howlin; Peach; OakOak; Locomotive Breath

I am really confused. Didn't the woman herself claim she was raped between 12 and 1230?


34 posted on 04/21/2006 7:45:01 PM PDT by Perdogg (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem)
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To: don'tbedenied
Finnerty's attorney has kept this info close to the vest. Prosecuting witnesses are changing stories to fit new facts. Kim's memory of Finnerety at the party is a classic, I don't think she knew he also had an alibi. My guess is that Nifong will indict yet another player when the grand jury meets again (May 1) so he can have a perp walk on election day. Doesn't matter who (as evidenced by indicting the two guys with alibis).

I was listening to Hannity (I miss Medved on XM) and a Fox News legal lady, Kim something, and I wanted to scream when Kim said that she didn't understand why the defense didn't present their alibis at the grand jury hearing adding that that could get the lawyers disbarred. Hannity didn't refute what she said. Hannity is not a lawyer but he should understand that at this point what the lawyers did by waiting for charges (duh) is the best thing they could have by making the DA and Co. show the supposed truthful hand (3 weeks later).

Obviously if the two players alibis are true, and I have heard nothing to dispute them, then the DA will be shown for what he is: a ruthless prosecutor that doesn't seek the truth but is willing to twist a very serious case to please a segment of the community and try to win an election.

That on the same day of the grand jury he drops a bond stipulation for Kim Roberts just as she changes her story is just one of many issues that would be used for an appeal.

And once these guys are proved innocent (or the DA drops the case) I pray they will sue Durham County and the DA, the accuser and Kim Roberts to the hilt. This wrongful conduct cannot be allowed to happen again.

35 posted on 04/21/2006 7:58:09 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Reid...Kerry...Rockefeller. They were unable to attend due to a prior lack of commitment." - Cheney)
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To: abb; Alia; AntiGuv; AmishDude; Bogeygolfer; BossLady; Brytani; beyondashadow; bwteim; Carling; ...
New Duke Lacrosse Thread
36 posted on 04/21/2006 8:41:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Perdogg
Mark Simeon, Roberts' attorney, said the bond conditions were changed because Roberts is not considered a flight risk

Wonder why she's not a flight risk ANYMORE? Heh.

37 posted on 04/21/2006 8:47:36 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Locomotive Breath; Howlin
I thought they were looking for the white shoe. I'm so confused.

scuse me, but I wonder which will be found first, her white shoe or Joran's K-Swiss tennis!

38 posted on 04/21/2006 8:52:02 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat

LOL.......people take a real chance with those white shoes.

I never wear 'em.


39 posted on 04/21/2006 8:54:27 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: jiggyboy

Really? I also remember something about him having 6 witnesses. I sure hope so.

Is there a Mexican restaraunt on 9th street in Durham?


40 posted on 04/21/2006 8:54:40 PM PDT by Jrabbit (Scuse me??)
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