Posted on 04/18/2006 1:35:19 PM PDT by gondramB
We have a home warranty and today they assigned a plumber to fix a couple of toilets. There were some complications so we had a long while to talk - it was very eye opening.
The plumber is a polite guy, born and raised in Atlanta as a Baptist about 5 miles from where I grew up. He is a convert to Islam and says he attends the largest mosque in Atlanta.
Some of the things he said just blew me away and I wanted to share. This isn't somebody from a foreign country - he is a native Georgian.
He said (and he was very matter of fact about all this as if none of it would possibly be disputed)
1. There was no way 9/11 was done by Muslims. Bin Laudin always claims responsibility when he does something and he said right away he didn't do it. Everybody at the mosque knows the tapes where he supposedly said he did it were unintelligible and the translation was fake. Nobody at the mosque thinks Muslims could do 9/11. You have to look at who benefitted - we didn't benefit. The people who want war and wire tapping benefitted.
2. The suicide bombers aren't Muslims. Muslims can't kill women. You can kill a child before you can kill a woman. Jihad has to be fought with your chest - out front, not with your side or your back. I don't know who is doing the bombings but everybody at the mosque is sure it isn't Muslims.
3. The President of Iran is saying those things about Israel and the bomb to get President Bush to attack Iran. He (the Iranian president) doesn't care about his life or the lives of Iranians - he cares about the after-life. A world war is coming and the war with Iran will be part of what sets it up - Syria and Pakistan will join the war on Iran's side.
4.There are millions of people ready to die for Islam. They are all peaceful. Islam means peace. But when it clicks that the final war has started they will die for Islam.
5. Ayatollah Khomeni captured the Shah of Iran and castrated him and paraded his head through the streets. (Historical note - the Shah died in Egypt after President Carter's decision to allow him into the United States for treatment triggering the embassy takeover, hostage crisis and the most screwed up rescue operation in U.S. history.)
6. Muslims are peaceful people who just want to live a simple life. But when people stop them from living that life, when people won't leave them alone, they have to fight. They have to jihad.
7. "I just wish we could have one generation of peace for my children to live for a while before it starts."
Don't know of the black folks in your area, but I hear stuff like this from NON MUSLIM African Americans all the time, along with "AIDS was invented by the white man to kill black people" and "Bush stole the election."
Mine doesn't. Lived in an area with a large Arab Muslim population and have worked with NOI members and Muslim immigrants/converts. The most anti-American folks I have ever met. They love the money and lifestyle here, but hate us.
>>I had one of those warranties once. They replaced my water heater. By the time they 'brought it up to code' it cost me more than had I just bought a water heater and replaced it myself. Watch them!<<
Thanks for that heads up. I'll be careful.
"Islam is incapable of reforming itself.
Draw your own conclusions"
I hear you. I wonder - has Islam overall radicalized over the last century or have the Muslim nations just become welathier and started having more interaction with us and our allies?
"Let me guess: he was of "African" descent, like most U.S. Muslim converts?
Don't know of the black folks in your area, but I hear stuff like this from NON MUSLIM African Americans all the time"
Yes, he was black. I like to think that Atlanta is better than that but then there is Cynthia McKinney to explain.... :(
He could be of the Lewis Farrakan sect of American black muslims who are willing to believe such things as flying cylinders orbiting the earth and advising sir Farrakan. Also, the Cynthia McKinney arena that believes the CIA peddles crack in the inner city and AIDS was started in a laboratory to kill African blacks. Maybe someone who knows more about this than me can add.
IOW, maybe this guy wasn't all that typical.
"IOW, maybe this guy wasn't all that typical."
I sure hope not. But that is a good point about Farrakhan
The rise of Wahabbism in the mid-1800s combined with the oceanic influx of wealth from oil is largely what has powered the resurgence of the bloody, murderous death cult of Islam. Almost without exception, Islam had receded into scattered, fly-blown, poverty-stricken despotisms. They produced nothing save misery, ignorance and oppression for their populations. Once they became flush with oil revenues, they began to export their cruel despotic rule with a vengeance. That is what we see today.
They cannot be reasoned with, nor can they be appeased. Death to them all.
He wants us all dead. Every man, woman and child. History is my witness.
Does he want a war? If wanted to develop the bomb and drop it on Israel wouldn't he do it quietly? Does he understand he is leaving us with very few choices and he is not likely to survive any of them?
Facts, logic and reason don't even begin to enter into the picture when it comes to the mindset of this murderous cult. Once again, history is my witness.
You should have took one for the team on this one, cut his brake lines or something.
"Death to them all."
I cannot condone mass killing of civilians who have not engaged in terrorism or done something material in support of terrorism.
In addition to the legal, ethical, moral and religious problems this would not be smart.
That doesn't mean you aren't right about the coming problems but we cannot resort to tactics so antithetical to our principles.
"I've been asking "what the hell does this guy want?"
He wants us all dead. Every man, woman and child. History is my witness."
But he (The President of Iran) is not choosing the course of action that will maximize deaths of his enemies. He is pushing to a course that may maximize Iranian deaths.
"If, in fact, he did convert in prison to islam, it's generally out of resentment than protection. islam creates, then cultivates the absolute hatred for infidels in no time what so ever."
Very interesting. Thanks for that perspective.
And yes, I see a different plumber in my future.
"Almost everything you wrote is exactly the kind of thing this person (black as well) said...
Well, he did have number 4 right...they will die."
Bummer... I was hoping he was an aberation.
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